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Old 24th December 2017, 11:43 PM
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What makes you say that liberal Democrats don't want to admit it? I'm proud of it. I want to see the govt. being there for every citizen; not just the 1% and the congress.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to those who disagree as well as agree with me!
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It is good to hear a voice of reason here, I am the only admitted conservative and take regular beatings due to my political and religious stances. If there are others, they don't seem to admit it as the outspoken majority of this forum is very liberal.

I started the "North Korea" thread, do you want to take on gay marriage in another as you touched on?

We could use some new blood that isn't afraid to take on topics other than Trump bashing.
Many thanks Zorro for the kind words. I am a basic conservative, but believe in a fair go for the working class. The gap between rich/middle class/poor is just too wide and growing IMO and it is my little particular field of dismay.
Having said that, neither of the major parties in Oz Labor/Liberals are worth a dry spit.
As far as the gay marriage thing, I do not want to give it anymore weight than it already has. Minority groups rule the waves in Oz and I have do doubt it is the same in the States? Whilst I could not give a rats what people do in the privacy of their own home, I do believe marriage is between man/woman. I have a few friends that are gay, that is their choice but I really hope they never make it compulsory!!!
I will think of something else to post, but there is just not enough new posts happening at the moment here.
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It is good to hear a voice of reason here, I am the only admitted conservative and take regular beatings due to my political and religious stances.
You must enjoy the beatings, Zorro, since you are the one who usually initiates these political posts.

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Whilst I could not give a rats what people do in the privacy of their own home, I do believe marriage is between man/woman. I have a few friends that are gay, that is their choice but I really hope they never make it compulsory!!!
What you personally believe as far as gay marriage goes you have every right to believe. But why would you give a hoot whether people want to get married or not, regardless of their sexual persuasion? What business is it of yours?
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I was given the right to cast an opinion by virtue of the postal vote on the issue orchestrated by the Australian Government. As I was in Philippines, I was unable to case the vote, which as I said would have been in the negative.
My view is that 'marriage' is the union between man and woman, nothing more. If two same sex people want to become an 'item' fine, but give it another name and treat is separately from traditional marriage. There is too much breaking down of traditional society values IMO. That is what gives me the right to form an opinion and I make no apologies for it.
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There is too much breaking down of traditional society values IMO. That is what gives me the right to form an opinion and I make no apologies for it.
Say what? "there is too much breaking down of traditional society values" IN YOUR OPINION (as you state). And from this follows that your opinion is what allows you to form an opinion?

As I said, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Whoever wants to get married to whoever they choose to marry is their business, not mine, nor yours. What is the point of raining on someone else's party?

Also "traditional society values" is a term that right wing conservatives love to bandy about, but in fact, what is traditional in one place, or at one time in history, is not necessarily traditional in other places, in other times in history. Before cars were invented, it was traditional to travel by foot or horse and buggy. Do you now travel by horse and buggy?
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You must enjoy the beatings, Zorro, since you are the one who usually initiates these political posts.
Telling the truth in the face of overwhelming odds is now initiating and wanting abuse, got it.

I openly invite you to browse this area of the forum to see the thousands of anti republican threads posted here, all started by people other than myself. The endless whining, complaining, name calling and moaning about Trump and anyone who supports the Republican party. Thousands of them but hey, as long as you are on board with everyone else, these thousands of posts are fine.

But if you have a different opinion and the stones to admit it, such as Mogo51 and myself, and you are as we see in this very thread, "Liars, thieves and a**holes as are those who support them" and that is perfectly alright.

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By far your most pathetic post ever [so far].

Your Ted Cruz, the pathological liar and sleeze ball politician, and his crazy ideas says something about who you think is legit and who is believable. Now I get it. It makes sense.
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Obama stimulus deals were blocked by the a**hole Republicans and you know it. You know Teddy Cruz and that gang of thieves and liars, con men now having control of all branches of the American government.
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a**hole Republicans blocked them. Just a bunch of anti-social politicians along with their supporters.
As if the Clintons have an honest reputation and aren't the same names that you throw around here, do a little research on how much of the money sent to the Clinton Foundation for Haiti'a earthquake relief actually made it to the people of Haiti .6% another 9.6% was funneled away. Hint... you won't find it on any mainstream media sites.

When logic fails and you can't produce the facts to support your point, call people names and try to get the thread locked, or just outright ask for the thread to be locked because it doesn't fit your agenda.


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Whoever wants to get married to whoever they choose to marry is their business, not mine, nor yours. What is the point of raining on someone else's party?
That's what we were told. Who a person loves and chooses to marry is none of our business or concern, everyone said Christians shouldn’t care who marries who, that it was none of our business and would never affect our lives in the least

But as it turned out Christian business owners would eventually be forced to support gay marriage or face discrimination charges as we see now in Colorado, Oregon and Wisconsin. If gays want their rights to marry then Christians also have their rights to refuse to bake a cake with two men on the top or photograph a gay marriage, if it violates their religious beliefs.

A Wisconsin circuit court ruled photographer Amy Lawson cannot be sued under certain anti-discrimination laws for refusing to take photos at the weddings of same-sex couples.

Lawson brought her case before the court after she shut down her photography business over concerns of being sued.

The key to victory in this is case was the fact that Lawson’s business does not have a physical storefront. The judge ruled that since it did not have a storefront, it “is not a public place of accommodation or amusement.”

“The court found and the city and state have now agreed that creative professionals without storefronts can’t be punished under public accommodation laws for exercising their artistic freedom because those laws simply don’t apply to them,” said Lawson’s attorney, Jonathan Scruggs of Alliance Defending Freedom.

So, the only thing that saved her was that she didn't have a physical store location.

That would be like going into one of "The Halal Guys" restaurants in America and demand they cater and serve at a wedding which will also have pulled pork cooked by the grooms father and then sue them if they refuse, right?

https://thehalalguys.com/catering/

The Christian Baker who refused to celebrate a gay marriage by not baking their wedding cake may not fare as well as he has an actual store. Mr, Phillips says his religious beliefs would not allow him to have anything to do with same-sex marriage. He said other bakeries would accommodate them.

The civil rights commission and a Colorado court rejected Phillips’ argument that forcing him to create a cake violated his First Amendment rights of freedom of expression and exercise of religion.

So, we are told that it is none of our business who marries who, but we also have to participate, even if it violates our religious beliefs or we will be sued into bankruptcy.

Everyone has rights, Christians or people of other religions should not lose revenue for years awaiting a trial and be forced to hire an attorney just to defend what they hold to be their beliefs to the point of bankruptcy.

Mr. Phillips has lost an estimated 40% of his business because he's stopped making wedding cakes altogether. A workforce that once numbered 10 is down to four, including his daughter and sister-in-law.

He is not alone, The owners of an Oregon bakery are refusing to pay $135,000 in state-ordered damages to a same-sex couple who were denied service.

Melissa and Aaron Klein, owners of Sweet Cakes by Melissa, cited religious beliefs when they refused to bake a wedding cake for Laurel and Rachel Bowman-Cryer more than two years ago.

$135,000.00


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Zorro:"telling the truth in the face of overwhelming odds is now initiating and wanting abuse, got it."

Therein lies the problem, Zorro. In your mind, "the truth" and your opinion are one and the same. As long as there are opposing opinions, your "truth" is not absolute, and in a democratic society we are expected to be able to disagree and still live in the same neighborhood. I get the impression from your posts that if you were king, your subjects would not have choices that you don't approve of. That is not Conservatism: that is Fascism.

It is an abhorrence of Fascism that causes people to resort to throwing verbal rocks in your direction. It is the reason they do the same to Trump. It's obvious that he would like to be a dictator, rather than an elected official, subject to the will of "the people". His ardent supporters include some very anti-democratic process people, including neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and the most intolerant of religious groups. They are all about creating their kind of nation for everybody.

A large portion of the U.S. citizenry are descendants of immigrants who fled the various forms of persecution from autocratic regimes. We remember their stories and fear the possibility of that happening in the U.S.A. That's not what I want for my own descendants.

It's not about you, personally. You sound like a good family man who helps your neighbors when they need it. It's that absolutism that gets peoples' backs up.

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I can't imagine anyone wanting to buy services from a Baker who was negative towards them, move on to a different Baker.

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