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lagoloo 29th December 2017 03:02 PM

I think that it's not so much "bad" as totally out of place in anything resembling a civilized debate.
However, this hasn't been one for a long time. One side of it has absolutely no respect for any part of the "other side's" reasoning. The "other side" suspects that their opponents are nutso fanatics. Maybe they're both right. (grin)

The "fanatic" aspect is obsessively dissing Clinton over a year after she was defeated in paragraph after paragraph, post after post (world without end, amen). Enough should be enough. How many thousands of words would it take to cover Trump's history of misdeeds? But, why bother?

AlanMexicali 29th December 2017 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Zorro2017 (Post 13793466)
Obviously the brainwashing is complete. You have been assimilated.


Meanwhile back to Trump. This opinon piece flies in the face of your valuable news sources I bet. :heh:

A year with Trump - San Francisco Chronicle


By Robert Reich |
December 26, 2017 | Updated: December 27, 2017 8:29pm


"Earlier this month, Utah Sen. Orrin Hatch stood on the White House lawn, opining that Donald Trump’s presidency could be “the greatest presidency that we’ve seen, not only in generations, but maybe ever.”


I beg to differ.… [Visit the link for the rest of the article.]

2017 By Robert Reich

Robert Reich, a former U.S. Secretary of Labor, is professor of public policy at UC Berkeley.

lagoloo 29th December 2017 08:47 PM

I like it, but the rebuttal is probably already coming down the pike: how could these people possibly have the facts straight since they're either liberals or associated with the famous liberal University?

Well, maybe we CAN all agree that George Washington was a fine, intelligent man and we were lucky to have him at the helm. I hope so.

Stevenjb 30th December 2017 02:25 PM

Well, whatever anyone's political lean

Awesome 2018 to All.

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Isla Verde 30th December 2017 10:55 PM

Here's an interesting article from the NYTimes entitled Why I'm Still a NeverTrumper, written by the conversative journalist Bret Stephens: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/29/o...ertrumper.html

Zorro2017 31st December 2017 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Isla Verde (Post 13800730)
Here's an interesting article from the NYTimes entitled Why I'm Still a NeverTrumper, written by the conversative journalist Bret Stephens: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/29/o...ertrumper.html

There is no shortage of people who ate Trump, but still he had enough people who liked him and still do to win the electoral college by a landslide. And, like it or not he is delivering on his campaign promises even though left leaning judges are blocking a lot of them.

What started this entire thread was me mentioning the fact that despite what people think of him, the stock market is doing great. The Dow Jones Industrial Average has set 71 new records at the closing bell, the best one-year performance for the blue-chip index. In another first, the Dow has gained more than 5,000 points since the start of 2017. The broader S&P 500 and the tech-heavy Nasdaq Composite have also mounted record runs.


Stocks have been on a tear going back to Election Day, reflecting investors’ optimism over the U.S. economy, tax cuts and the broader Trump agenda. The Dow had its strongest first year post-Election Day since 1945, soaring 28.5%. Based on the Wilshire 5000, U.S. stocks have gained approximately $6.6 trillion in value since Trump’s victory.

The market viewed Republican control of the White House and both chambers of Congress as a favorable outcome that would end the legislative logjam in D.C., according to John Lynch, chief investment strategist for LPL Financial. Trump’s agenda, mainly tax reform and cuts to business regulations, has lifted business confidence. Meanwhile, economic growth has accelerated. GDP has expanded more than 3% in back-to-back quarters, and economic growth of 3.3% in the third quarter marked a three-year high. The New York Federal Reserve’s estimates call for the U.S. economy to extend its streak in the fourth quarter.

There are those who are trying their best to give the credit to Obama, including Obama himself but it is so glaringly obvious that the day of the election stocks take off and continue to break records, this is no residual "Obama Policy" effect.

Love him or hate him, the market is booming, people individually are seeing their 401k climb as the stock they bought for double digits during the previous administration are now worth triple digits.

lat19n 31st December 2017 11:38 AM

Two points. I think you have to give Obama a little residual credit for the rise in the stock market. He kind of set the stage if you will. Point 2 - if the market has a bad 2018, will that be attributable to Trump as well ?

Zorro2017 31st December 2017 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by lat19n (Post 13801874)
Two points. I think you have to give Obama a little residual credit for the rise in the stock market. He kind of set the stage if you will. Point 2 - if the market has a bad 2018, will that be attributable to Trump as well ?

Two points, Obama almost doubled the national debt. The liberal media and Snopes can spin this all they want but the numbers are there for everyone to see. Obama spent nearly as much as every other president from George Washington to George Bush combined, let that sink in for just a minute. Once the economy sinks to the rock bottom, it can't get any worse so any meager tick up as cheered as "credit" to Obama.

If the market is bad in 2018 we will have to see if it is the result of democratic obstruction to cuts, or blocking other measures to improve the economy such as becoming energy independent, or really Trumps fault. One thing is certain, Obama will continue to take credit for years just as he blamed Bush for his failures for years.

Don't expect to find the truth in the mainstream media.

lagoloo 31st December 2017 02:18 PM

Zorro: If you think that the most important thing is the state of the stock market, that explains your asserting that this Presidency is a good thing. If it falls, will you think otherwise?

I happen to agree with the conservative columnist's views quoted by Isla Verde above. What's happening in Washington, D.C. is an ethical disgrace, starting at the top.

AlanMexicali 31st December 2017 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by lagoloo (Post 13802186)
Zorro: If you think that the most important thing is the state of the stock market, that explains your asserting that this Presidency is a good thing. If it falls, will you think otherwise?

I happen to agree with the conservative columnist's views quoted by Isla Verde above. What's happening in Washington, D.C. is an ethical disgrace, starting at the top.

Some of the most important and influential people in the World and now talking about what Trump and the Republicans are doing to the Good Old USA lately and it is not good but bad. Many are international and local US Conservatives, It is a mind boggling event never seen before in the US in modern times and has been building momentum from people like ***** who truly really have no problem with lies substituted for the truth. Sad to see an otherwise nice person fall for those lies. IMO


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