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Old 7th April 2011, 01:31 PM
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lots of news on about the events of two years ago yesterday and it does seem that they are moving onto the more heavily damaged e class properties now.. well thats what they said.. the region says the funds are in place and its up to the comunes to spend the money by approving projects..

re fees here.. architects are allowed to charge around the 15-18 % of the project cost as their fee.. which covers a lot more than just the planning in general..the insurances and the direction of works ..

re works and what can be done and how.. if you look back the problem.. the main problem with the buildings in L'Aquila as a province was that the comunes and province refused to accept the national standard class 1 seismic rating on buildings and building work..because it was obviously going to make the place less attractive..so they rated themselves down in that sense .. and the consequence was the collapse of a vast number of properties.. what this means is that now the region has accepted in full its classifications via the national laws on seismic classes of areas.. so L'Aquila in pretty well the whole province and all comunes are zoned at the highest level

what does this mean.. it means that should there be an earthquake .. and its not really a question of if but when ..then property and people will be safe.. and basically a house will be unsaleable in that area unless it conforms to all regs when you arrive at the point of contract exchange.. the notary will make anyone buying very aware that if they do buy without all current legislative building regs in place that they are taking a risk which he would suggest they do not take.. so selling will be difficult without things in place.. well almost impossible..

new rules on acts of sale not only have financial and tax regulations within the final act that have to be declared but also building conformity regulations from services( eg gas ,water and electric) and do they conform, but also a realm of new laws on the efficiency of the property ( ie.. thermal efficiency and a rating thats a bit like say a fridge or oven.. its energy consumption rating)... which all projects and restorations now have to conform to ..

so many of you will be caught up in this and to my mind the only solution is to sit tight and accept the slow process if you can.. it will happen but it will take time.. and first home owners will get priority

sorry to intrude .. but if you understand the system maybe it will help you a bit.. but these rules are being changed nationally .. as houses are sold or built here they are all subject to the new rules .. i see many people rushing into buying property because its a bargain.. but its also best to investigate carefully what is and is not a bargain..

in Abruzzo the only province which has no class 1 seismic comunes is the province of Teramo.. everyone now knows about the province of L'Aquila so no caution needs to be taken.. but its funny how quite sellers of property in Pescara province and Chieti keep about the large number of comunes classed as zone 1 in these areas..

many of the more popular choices because they are marketed so widely as cheap bargains are in comunes with the same risk as L'Aquila.. places such as Casoli,palombaro and civitella MR ... manopello in pescara.. in fact if you read back through history.. caloi was destroyed in a quake in 1933 along with damage to several surrounding comunes..but as it was in the time of mussolini it was kept pretty quite..

so its a regional change that has been implemented via national laws.. and finally Abruzzo has accepted all its seismic ratings .. well all italian regions have bene pushed to by the l'aquila disaster which makes everyone safer so its good.. but also means places zoned as 1 not only have the problems of new works and restorations having to conform to new energy efficiency regulations.. an added cost.. but in zone 1 areas updated and better seismic regulations which this time will be enforced..which will add up to doubling the cost of restorations in these areas as against places with lower ratings...
Pleased to har that the funds are in place as our house is a category'E'.
However our original architect is trying to claim over 25% of the total cost of the repairs.Out of a projected cost of 104.000Euro he has put his fees down as 27.000Euros. We have been reliably informed that the Comune will slice a good portion of his fees off as well as some of the riduculous things he has put in the plans. Our new architect has a good set of builders working for her and with all of safety measures that they will be putting into our house we will be happy to live there.
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How much do Pickfords charge? We will probably need to do the same. I could try Costa the Truck he got my stuff back from Greece via Italy but the problem with him is would be delivery.

We want a one bedroomed flat in centre of town as it would enable us to get some equity out and be a hassle free rental with a good return on any investment. We think we should be able to get 2-300 a month out of the deal anyway which will help towards living in Ofena or just plane fares back to UK to visit relatives. Thats plan A anyway.

Lets hope we make it out there soon.
Pam
Hi Pam
At the moment our quote from Pickfords is for 7.000, but that includes a houseful of furniture, a new kitchen with appliances,large shed and greenhouse. Plus they will do absolutely everything for us. A bit pricey I know but they offere the best deal.
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We have got tickets !

I misseed the Chelsea flower show again this year, just couldn't afford to kick around over there, but we are leaving the 19th of June, staying in Bangkok 2 nights arriving Rome 22nd June. We leave the first of July at this stage.

I have been so excited since I finally booked. I was trolling the net for weeks looking for deals, trying to get the money together. July is so expensive ! The weather is great there now, I'm hoping we can enjoy some moderate sunny weather, and hopefully the poppies will still be around. The first time we went to Abruzzo was early June and the red and gold flower carpet was stunning.

Anyone around Ofena 22nd June to 1st April ?
I don't have a big agenda this time, give the place a good clean, put the new shelves together,get the leaky cistern replaced, get rid of some more rubbish in the courtyard... maybe drive to Puglia, as I still want to see the Trulli.

Hey Pam, are you and Tony coming over ? I read there were some cheap fares......

Can't wait can't wait....

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We have got tickets !

I misseed the Chelsea flower show again this year, just couldn't afford to kick around over there, but we are leaving the 19th of June, staying in Bangkok 2 nights arriving Rome 22nd June. We leave the first of July at this stage.

I have been so excited since I finally booked. I was trolling the net for weeks looking for deals, trying to get the money together. July is so expensive ! The weather is great there now, I'm hoping we can enjoy some moderate sunny weather, and hopefully the poppies will still be around. The first time we went to Abruzzo was early June and the red and gold flower carpet was stunning.

Anyone around Ofena 22nd June to 1st April ?
I don't have a big agenda this time, give the place a good clean, put the new shelves together,get the leaky cistern replaced, get rid of some more rubbish in the courtyard... maybe drive to Puglia, as I still want to see the Trulli.

Hey Pam, are you and Tony coming over ? I read there were some cheap fares......

Can't wait can't wait....
Lucky you.....we are still waiting for news on our project - dont even know if it has been submitted - planning on driving over maybe august and will see how it lies re staying in house - otherwise we will camp.....have a good time... Pam

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We have got tickets !

I misseed the Chelsea flower show again this year, just couldn't afford to kick around over there, but we are leaving the 19th of June, staying in Bangkok 2 nights arriving Rome 22nd June. We leave the first of July at this stage.

I have been so excited since I finally booked. I was trolling the net for weeks looking for deals, trying to get the money together. July is so expensive ! The weather is great there now, I'm hoping we can enjoy some moderate sunny weather, and hopefully the poppies will still be around. The first time we went to Abruzzo was early June and the red and gold flower carpet was stunning.

Anyone around Ofena 22nd June to 1st April ?
I don't have a big agenda this time, give the place a good clean, put the new shelves together,get the leaky cistern replaced, get rid of some more rubbish in the courtyard... maybe drive to Puglia, as I still want to see the Trulli.

Hey Pam, are you and Tony coming over ? I read there were some cheap fares......

Can't wait can't wait....
Hi Lynda
Pleased to see that you have got your flights booked. It is the same over here with the cost of the flights in July/August, the airlines take advantage of the school holidays and put the prices up.
We are still waiting to hear about our house, we had planned to make a flying visit in June to set up the new bank account but as we have still not heard anything we are stuck in limbo and if we have to go out then we will have to pay over the odds for a flight.
John should have been finishing work in October but it looks like we will have to delay it yet again, it is so frustrating.
Have a good trip.
Judy.

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Lucky you.....we are still waiting for news on our project - dont even know if it has been submitted - planning on driving over maybe august and will see how it lies re staying in house - otherwise we will camp.....have a good time... Pam
Hi Pam,

that's a shame I thought you brits got such cheap fares you could pop over any time ha ha ha

Gosh you are so lucky you can drive there. I would so love to live in Europe, so many places to see ! When we finally do get there we will do some travelling around.

I suppose the recent eruption is causing some grief again with airlines too.

Will miss you in Ofena !

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Hi Lynda
Pleased to see that you have got your flights booked. It is the same over here with the cost of the flights in July/August, the airlines take advantage of the school holidays and put the prices up.
We are still waiting to hear about our house, we had planned to make a flying visit in June to set up the new bank account but as we have still not heard anything we are stuck in limbo and if we have to go out then we will have to pay over the odds for a flight.
John should have been finishing work in October but it looks like we will have to delay it yet again, it is so frustrating.
Have a good trip.
Judy.
Hi Judy, You and Pam are still doing it tough. it must be so frustrating having your house declared uninhabitable, and with things moving so slowly at the commune. I guess until the project is approved you dare not commit to moving until you know what it is going to cost. Also sorry your deadline is pushed back again, but at least you might avoid winter !

You could just spoil yourself and come for some sun, since you are not making the move in October, he he

I will get to meet you one day....

Best wishes Lynda

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Hi Judy, You and Pam are still doing it tough. it must be so frustrating having your house declared uninhabitable, and with things moving so slowly at the commune. I guess until the project is approved you dare not commit to moving until you know what it is going to cost. Also sorry your deadline is pushed back again, but at least you might avoid winter !

You could just spoil yourself and come for some sun, since you are not making the move in October, he he

I will get to meet you one day....

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Hi Lnda,
Gil & Guy are planning to be there the end of June.

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Hi Lnda,
Gil & Guy are planning to be there the end of June.
thanks for that Barry, Have you managed to get to Ofena this year?

or are you planning to go later in the year? Is your place all sorted out now? Your brother stayed there and did some painting last year didn't he.

Gil and guy are the people with a house in the wall that got damage. Their street was damaged wasn't it? I'm glad they are still connected to the area. I think they trip around a bit and enjoy the lifestyle.

They were so unhappy the day I met them, just had bad news about their place.
Such a shame.

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Not yet but hoping for september.

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