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CIAO!!!

I'm very glad I've bumped into these forums.

Well, I am coming up on my separation from the military next month. I was stationed in Italy for 2 years. While I was there I traveled around Europe on my off time. Ended up meeting a beautiful Romanian girl who later became my wife.

While stationed there, I also fell in love it Italy and the rest of Europe. My wife is still over there, going through the process of getting her visa to come here, which we might cancel depending on weather I decide to stay in the military or not. So I am going around gathering all the information to be prepared. I've emailed all the Italian Embassies here in the states, not one has responded by phone or email

As it stands, she will be a resident of Italy soon. I already have a codice fiscale from being stationed there (if that helps with anything for the process) With that, am I allowed to apply for the Family reunion visa? If so, i understand that I have to fill out a visa application and take it to the Italian Embassy in Los Angeles. Along with
-Passport photo
-copy of wife's passport
-invitation letter (where can i get that)
-marriage certificate (romanian and english on same document)

Ok, so where can I get a format of that invitation letter? Also, do I have to provide a document showing her job pay. Is there a minimum income required? After all she will be my source of finance for the visa, if I separate. Is that all I have to provide to the embassy?

I also need information on being able to drive my vehicle to Italy after I ship it there. It is a 2009 Audi A3. I know I need to take a written test and have my car inspected....if I remember correctly. But this was all done by the base when I was stationed there. I need to figure out how to do it as a civilian.

After I get there, I have some knowledge about what to do after arrive (ie permesso di soggiorno and becoming a resident etc...) But any more information would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance for this. Things, unfortunately, are happening a bit too fast. Since I tried changing jobs in the military with no success, messed my plans a little. This is something I have prepared for financially and mentally. I look forward to moving to Italy if I do decide to not reenlist.

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Ended up meeting a beautiful Romanian girl who later became my wife.
Congratulations.

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As it stands, she will be a resident of Italy soon. I already have a codice fiscale from being stationed there (if that helps with anything for the process) With that, am I allowed to apply for the Family reunion visa?
You are allowed, but you don't have to. Americans are permitted visa free entry into the Schengen Area whereupon you have EU treaty rights to residence with your EU spouse in Italy. It's possible the Italian consulates didn't answer because you don't need their services.

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Ok, so where can I get a format of that invitation letter? Also, do I have to provide a document showing her job pay. Is there a minimum income required? After all she will be my source of finance for the visa, if I separate. Is that all I have to provide to the embassy?
No, no, no, and no. You do not need a visa since you are a U.S. citizen with visa waiver privileges going to join your EU wife in Italy.

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I also need information on being able to drive my vehicle to Italy after I ship it there. It is a 2009 Audi A3. I know I need to take a written test and have my car inspected....if I remember correctly. But this was all done by the base when I was stationed there. I need to figure out how to do it as a civilian.
No way. Abandon this idea. You won't be in the military any more, so you will not be able to drive a U.S. specification car in Italy. Sell the car -- a 2009 Audi A3 holds its value very well, so good choice -- decide whether you need a car in Italy, and get one there. (You'll also need to get an Italian driver's license, and you must do that within one year.)

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After I get there, I have some knowledge about what to do after arrive (ie permesso di soggiorno and becoming a resident etc...) But any more information would be appreciated.
Here are the steps:

1. Your wife establishes residence in Italy. She does that by going to the Anagrafe in the commune. She should get a receipt indicating she has registered. The police may stop by just to verify that she actually lives there.

2. When you arrive in Italy, if you did not get a stamp in your passport from Italian passport control (i.e. you had a flight connection or flight/train connection in another European country), within 8 calendar days of arrival in Italy go to the questura and get a "dichiarazione di presenza."

3. Within 90 calendar days of arrival in the Schengen Area go to the Post Office or questura. Bring yourself, 4 ID photos, and originals and one set of photocopies of: your passport's data page, your entry stamp or dichiarazione di presenza, your wife's residence receipt, and your long-form marriage certificate. Fill out the form for a PdS/CdS, and also bring some euro just in case you need to pay something.

If you got married in Europe then get an official copy of your marriage certificate in what's usually called something like "international format" (which will probably include many languages, probably including Italian). If you got married elsewhere then get your long-form certificate with an apostille, Italian translation, and (preferably) a stamp from the Italian consulate having jurisdiction over its place of issue. (That's the one thing you might need the consulate for.) If your wife had to record her marriage to you in Romania, but you married elsewhere, get an official long-form copy of the Romanian record in international format and use that instead of the non-European record.

Submit your application for a PdS/CdS, and get a receipt.

4. Carry your passport with receipt whenever you go out. Keep photocopies at home in case they're lost or stolen.

5. Once you have the receipt you can enroll in the public health system. You can seek employment.

6. Some time later your "permanent" PdS/CdS will arrive. Make sure you renew it before it expires.

You must remain married and living with your spouse in order to continue residing in Italy. You are permitted short duration trips to other countries in the Schengen Area for up to 90 days (total outside Italy per trip to other Schengen countries). You can immediately take another short trip after returning to Italy -- the normal 180 day part of the requirement doesn't apply when you're a legal foreign resident of Italy.

If your spouse should predecease you, and assuming you had nothing to do with it, you may continue living and working in Italy as long as you wish if you have at least one year of legal residence before she dies. However, if you permanently leave Italy you would not have the right to return there to live and work (unless you would otherwise have that right).

After 5 years of continuous legal residence in Italy you may apply for an EC Long-Term Residence Permit. (Up to 10 months of total absence from Italy is tolerated, up to 6 months of which can be one trip.) The EC-Long Term Residence Permit is effectively like permanent residency, and it also allows you to relocate to many other European countries if you wish. After 10 years of continuous legal residence in Italy you may apply for naturalization as an Italian citizen if you wish. (That waiting period drops to 3 years if you have a parent or grandparent who was born an Italian citizen or who could have been recognized as such.)

To net it out, simply assemble the correct documentation (your marriage certificate in the proper form, in particular) and hop on a plane to join your wife in Italy.

Best wishes.

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One point I forgot to mention. When you travel to Italy you might be buying a one-way ticket. That's OK, but an airline check-in agent might question that since you don't have a PdS to present yet. (Usually not, but occasionally that happens.) If so, don't volunteer a solution, but be prepared to buy a return or onward ticket. (Onward in this case would be Rome to London, for example -- London is outside the Schengen Area.) The best way to do that is to buy a fully refundable return or onward ticket using a credit card. As soon as you arrive in Italy, apply for a ticket refund and call your credit card company to let them know the charge will be refunded. (Many/most credit card companies will let you dispute the charge while it's being refunded.)

A military ID may also work if you still have one (and it's still valid).

Fairly often roundtrip tickets are less expensive than one way tickets anyway, so maybe you'll be buying a roundtrip ticket. But I thought I'd mention it.

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THANK YOU so much for the reply. The most informative answer I've received on this issue.

I simply want to do things "by the book" on getting myself there. But if I really dont require a visa, I can see how it help with saving time,money.....and gas.

I really have no chance with the car? And I truley can not find to much info on it. Only thing i can determine is that you can send and drive one over there, but for a few months. I really can't sell the car as I still owe on it.

Yes, I do intend to buy a round trip ticket, it wouldn't hurt to do so.

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I really have no chance with the car?
Oh, there's a chance. There's near zero chance it'll be any less expensive. And a 2009 Audi A3 is not a special car. They do sell A3s in Italy.

Search this forum for tales of woe among those who have tried to import a car from the U.S. to Italy. Just don't.

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I really can't sell the car as I still owe on it.
Sure you can. The proceeds of the sale pay off the loan. If it's a lease, different story.

In either case that's even more reason why you can't export the car. If there's a lien on the car from the lender, how do you think the lender would like their collateral leaving the country (and getting physically modified to Italian specifications)? Check your loan agreement, but export is probably expressly prohibited. If it's a lease, how do you return the car? Same problem with physical modifications.

Just don't. Really, really don't.

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If you wish to move in Italy and living here with your wife you need to apply, to the Italian embassy, for a visa for family reunion.
But before that your wife will need asking, to the Questura of the town where she lives, for the nulla osta.
such nulla osta is essential for you to obtain the visa.
once you will arrive in Italy, within 8 days you will need to request the permesso di soggiorno.
this is shortly what you will have to do for you to live in Italy.

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i dont agree.

usa citizen are anyway extra-eu and therefore need the visa to enter in italy.

here is the link of the Italian Polizia and the domanda n.1735 explain it.

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the forum do not allow me to post url...but you can check on the website of Polizia.

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an american can stay legally in italy, for a max period of 90 days, only for reason as tourism, business, sport or study.
the family reunion, that allow you to live for a longer stay, is not provided in those case.

therefore, even you are an american citizen you must apply first for a visa and afterwards, once in italy, require the permesso di soggiorno.

anyway, i suggest you to ask to the italian consulate before buying the ticket to italy, as they know more than me and BBC

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dear BBC
i am giving my advice according the law.
and for family reunion reasons the extra-eu citizenship must apply for a visa first.

then if at the eauropean borders there are no control it is not my affair.
i can say you that many people from afrika come to italy by boat without any visa, but this is not the best way to come legally in Italy.

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