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Lets say I love Italy and would like to gain citizenship there currently as an American.

I am well aware of the route where if you have an italian grandparent (who didn't renounce citizenship) you can claim it that way.

well the good news is I have an italian born grandmother. The bad news is she naturalized in America before my dad was born back in the 50's. I went through the whole process of paying USCIS to look up her naturalization date (she is currently deceased) and they provided me with a file number, dates, and a fee to obtain official copies of naturalization documents. I never paid the fee but I'm assuming its as good as a done deal she naturalized therefore automatically "forfeiting" her citizenship in italy which is the stupidest law ever...love how they changed that in the 90's and its not retroactive.

If i wished to "naturalize" in italy I read some places the time needed to reside in italy is shortened quite significantly from 10 years to 2 or 3. Does anyone know the latest law in regards to this?

I have searched in the internet high and low and cannot find anything about people successfully naturalizing this route with an italian ancestor.

In addition, what are the actual requirements for naturalizing? What would be the best route to do this? I have an american BA with a couple years experience (my degree is vague...not anything crazy like engineering or sciences)

Im just looking for any insight into what the iTALIAN government is looking for in regards to granting citizenship through naturalization and what the best route would look like.

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The government isn't looking for anything with that type of naturalization.

You would need to live in Italy for the required period. Two years Art 4 paragraph C

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italiana.

Obvious problem you need to legally live in Italy. From the sounds of it you're young. Short of getting offered a job I can't imagine how you'd live here.

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BTW when dual citizenship was made legal people where offered the possibility to reclaim their Italian citizenship. Might not have helped you but your Grandmother could have reclaimed it fairly easily .

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The government isn't looking for anything with that type of naturalization.

You would need to live in Italy for the required period. Two years Art 4 paragraph C




Obvious problem you need to legally live in Italy. From the sounds of it you're young. Short of getting offered a job I can't imagine how you'd live here.
Thanks for the reply.

What if i own an online business? any visas or routes for residing there legally?

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Thanks for the reply.

What if i own an online business? any visas or routes for residing there legally?
No.

The reason you don't read anything about people having gone this route is because it is so darned hard to make it work.

You have to reside *legally* in Italy for the required amount of time. Unless you can obtain a work visa (incredibly difficult, unless you are like, literally, a rocket scientist or something) or are super wealthy, there is pretty much no way to do it.

You'd have a better chance of somehow proving your grandmother lied on her application for US citizenship, thus voiding her naturalization.

Hmmm...

I wonder if anyone has ever tried going that route...

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No.

The reason you don't read anything about people having gone this route is because it is so darned hard to make it work.

You have to reside *legally* in Italy for the required amount of time. Unless you can obtain a work visa (incredibly difficult, unless you are like, literally, a rocket scientist or something) or are super wealthy, there is pretty much no way to do it.

You'd have a better chance of somehow proving your grandmother lied on her application for US citizenship, thus voiding her naturalization.

Hmmm...

I wonder if anyone has ever tried going that route...
lol the contempt in your post is palpable.

With an attitude like yours I'm sure 99% of everything that comes your way is impossible.

Why do you even post here honestly if your so jaded/bitter? I just see so many of your types that visit these boards with nothing else to add except negative nonsense. seems like a waste of your time honestly.

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lol the contempt in your post is palpable.

With an attitude like yours I'm sure 99% of everything that comes your way is impossible.

Why do you even post here honestly if your so jaded/bitter? I just see so many of your types that visit these boards with nothing else to add except negative nonsense. seems like a waste of your time honestly.

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I apologize if the tone seemed harsh; that was certainly not my intent.

I simply wanted to point out that it is extremely difficult to do what you want to do. Italy does not offer a visa that works for your situation; that's simply the way it is. And, without a visa, you cannot legally stay in Italy for more than 90 days out of any 180 day period, thus making it impossible to do the "become a naturalized citizen after two years" thing. As I said, this is why you can't find any postings by people who have successfully gone that route - because it is nearly impossible to make it work.

And I was half-serious concerning your grandmother's naturalization. First, invest the extra $25 or so and get copies of the actual documents; maybe you'll find that the dates really are in your favor.

If that doesn't pan out, you will need to do what nearly every other person who dreams of La Bella Vita in Italia - pound the virtual pavement and try to find someone who will offer you a job in Italy and be willing to do the required paperwork to get you that visa. Optionally, find a US-based company with operations in Italy and see if you can't eventually get transferred there.

Another option (that, frankly, I have never seen stories of success, either) is https://www.usajobs.gov/. These are listings of government jobs - often on military bases - throughout the world, including in Italy.
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Another option (that, frankly, I have never seen stories of success, either) is https://www.usajobs.gov/. These are listings of government jobs - often on military bases - throughout the world, including in Italy.
A friend's totally unskilled daughter got a job at a commissary on a U.S. naval base in Naples; it is possible. She stayed a couple of years, married an Italian, and started pumping out bambini.

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A friend's totally unskilled daughter got a job at a commissary on a U.S. naval base in Naples; it is possible. She stayed a couple of years, married an Italian, and started pumping out bambini.
I hesitate to add that -
  1. Those jobs very often do not last two or more years, and thus it could prove to be a waste of valuable time if the goal is to remain long enough for the "naturalize after two years of legal residence"
  2. More importantly, I'm not entirely sure that those jobs - on a US Military Base - qualify one for residenza, which would be a key component to the "...years of legal residence" requirement. I know for certain that those jobs are not open to dual citizens (specifically, anyone who holds Italian citizenship).
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well the good news is I have an italian born grandmother. The bad news is she naturalized in America before my dad was born back in the 50's.
Hi, it doesn't sound hopeful. My wife and I are expats in Italy, we moved here just over 3 months ago. Now, my wife's grandparents immigrated to US from Italy, and while her grandfather naturalized before her mother was born, her grandmother naturalized AFTER her mother was born. However, it was so long ago, that back then only the paternal line was valid! That law was changed in the 40's, but, as in your case, it too was NOT retroactive. So my wife heard of a law firm that challenges these cases in the court in Rome, and they usually win in this scenario. So we hired them, and so far they've been great. Unfortunately, you're not in exactly the same shoes, but I'm no legal expert (and neither are 99% of the people on this forum), so I'd advise you to get in touch with them and see if you have any legal basis. Because, as you've seen in the other replies and on your internet searches, it's way more difficult than you might think it should be. Even taking the EASY route to residency was like being put through the ringer. I'm also born and raised US, but am a dual UK/US citizen by virtue of my parents being British. So I have an EU passport (at least until Brexit!). Theoretically this is about as easy as it gets - free movement within the EU - but no - it was still quite a challenge to obtain residency. And I'm retired and self-sufficient. Best of luck!

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