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Old 23rd September 2018, 02:50 PM
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Actually it's called discretion and they can use it wherever and whenever necessary.
Your expressions of sympathy, your personal warmth, are deeply appreciated.
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This made me laugh. The consulate staff might have appreciated it too had you thought to express your feelings at the time.

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Havent been on for a while and I am sorry to see this is the first thing I see...

Are there any routes of appeal open to you?

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Per the document I received from the Consulate I have 90 days to appeal ... using a lawyer ... in Rome.

I think I'm done although another forum suggested that as my brokerage and bank documents weren't "official" but rather printed from their websites the Consulate ignored them.

If on the other hand anyone has a suggestion for an affordable emigration attorney in Roma I would be interested in hearing about it.


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As a resource for any other non-EU lower middle class types that might be considering relocating for retirement I offer this web page titled "Plan your own Brexit: The 10 easiest countries for securing EU residency"
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/n...-eu-residency/
In summary,
#1 was Austria where a quick scan of their requirements notes no particular wealth but does list requirements related related to work or job creation.
#2 Belgium, get a job.
#3 Portugal where "the minimum you can get away with is €500,000 ...; buy a house for that price and you’re in. Alternatively, transfer €1 million ... into a Portuguese bank account or create 10 jobs in the country."

And these are the easiest.

Lower middle class retirement isn't a shot on the boards.



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I'm a bit wary of those articles about the "easiest" places to get residency. Sure, for those who want to buy their way in and have the dosh to do so.

But here in France, for example, you can usually manage a "visitor" visa if you are retired with a pension that is at least at the minimum wage level (something under 1500€ a month). A visitor visa/residence permit is renewable annually until you hit the 5 year mark, at which point you can usually qualify for a multi-year resident permit and potentially could apply for French nationality.

It really does seem that the Brits are panicking about this Brexit stuff. The Americans, Canadians and Australians have been dealing with visas and residence permits for ages and it's not nearly as difficult as the Brits would have you believe.
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here in France ... you can usually manage a "visitor" visa if you are retired with a pension that is at least at the minimum wage level (something under 1500€ a month)
Ah, the "retired with a pension" thing again. Among the things the plutocrats have disappeared in the U.S. is the pension. Almost nobody has one other than the state pension, Social Security. That pays out at about the level you suggest; my savings about doubles that.

Does Italy have a "visitor visa"? How would I go about getting one for France? As you may recall I did an intense amount of spadework about pension taxation for Italy. Does France have about the same deal to your knowledge?

Unfortunately I don't want to live in France particularly; I want to live in Italy. Once I am a EU resident can I reside anywhere in the EU?


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Go to France near the Italian border for 5 years, where you can drop in to Italy for a visit every now and then (90 days?). Then as you say you can go anywhere in the EU after that.

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All the Schengen countries are going to be fairly similar.

I'm surprised that France is at only €1500 from what I remember it used to be at the higher end of the range.

Virtually all countries have double taxation treaties. Some countries treat you better than others. But the basics are similar around the world.

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The French version of "adequate financial means" starts at the minimum wage level (about 1500€ anmonth) but it's not a hard and fast threshold and may depend on what your plans are. Thing is that in the US-France tax treaty, IRAs, 401Ks and other deferred taxation plans for retirement are specifically considered to be "government pensions" that count toward your "adequate financial means" test. I'm not aware of another European tax treaty that specifically names the various retirement savings plans like that (though I think you could make a case for treating them in that way).

The other variation in the tax treaties is the assignment of taxing rights on "pensions" - In France, it's the country paying the pension that gets the right to tax it. In Italy, I know Italy taxes US Social Security if it's being paid to an Italian citizen in Italy. (Not sure about how it works with an expat.) Germany also claims exclusive rights to tax US SS paid to German residents.
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