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jollyfrancis 20th June 2019 07:43 AM

Work and settle in Germany
 
Hi Friends

I am new to this forum.
I wish to work in Germany and settle there.
I am working as a SAP consultant for 12 years now.
I do not have any job offer from Germany.

If anybody can guide me how to go about, would appreciate the great help.

Thanks

Jo Francis

ALKB 20th June 2019 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jollyfrancis (Post 14892610)
Hi Friends

I am new to this forum.
I wish to work in Germany and settle there.
I am working as a SAP consultant for 12 years now.
I do not have any job offer from Germany.

If anybody can guide me how to go about, would appreciate the great help.

Thanks

Jo Francis

Do you have an EEA citizenship?

If not, are you from a privileged country (USA, Canada, Japan, etc.)?

jollyfrancis 27th June 2019 09:42 AM

Thanks for the reply.
I am having Indian citizenship and working in Saudi Arabia with resident permit.

Thanks again.

ALKB 27th June 2019 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by jollyfrancis (Post 14895944)
Thanks for the reply.
I am having Indian citizenship and working in Saudi Arabia with resident permit.

Thanks again.

A few possible routes:

1 - Find an employer able and willing to sponsor you.

2 - Jobseeker visa - might be difficult what with your need for an exit visa for KSA and risk of not finding a qualifying job within six months.

3 - Student visa (Masters? PhD?) and subsequent post study work permit - most likely will need a very good level of German unless you can get into an English or bilingual programme.

Do you have dependents?

A word of caution: if you are used to KSA levels of earning and taxation you may find Germany not very attractive.

jollyfrancis 27th June 2019 11:07 AM

Thanks for the response.
One agent in Dubai contacted me and told that they can arrange for work visa. And he told us that it is easier to get work visa and they will arrange for job interviews in Germany. He is asking for around 80K INR as his service charge.
No idea whether he is doing a genuine service and how far he will be able to help us find a suitabile job offer while we land in Germany.

Thanks.

Bevdeforges 27th June 2019 11:55 AM

Be very wary of agents offering you "work visas" for a fee. Normally, it's the employer-to-be that gets you the work visa. There are many, many fraudulent "agents" out there who will not be able to deliver what they are promising. And you wind up the one in trouble for it.

jollyfrancis 27th June 2019 12:59 PM

Oh..sorry...The agent said "job Seeker Visa" not Work Visa. My mistake !
But is it worth paying around 80K INR for getting a job seeker visa from the German Embassy valid for 6 months ?

Thanks for your prompt responses.

ALKB 27th June 2019 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jollyfrancis (Post 14896052)
Oh..sorry...The agent said "job Seeker Visa" not Work Visa. My mistake !
But is it worth paying around 80K INR for getting a job seeker visa from the German Embassy valid for 6 months ?

Thanks for your prompt responses.

Why would you need an agent to apply for a jobseeker visa?

Have you actually done any research on that visa?

It allows you to go to Germany for up to 6 months - if you are skilled and can prove that you have enough money to pay your living expenses for the time the visa is valid and that you have access to adequate accommodation.

You are NOT allowed to work on that visa, it's more like a pre-approval for a work visa but only if you find an employer that is able and willing to sponsor you can you apply for a work permit in country. You cannot work until the actual work permit is issued.

So, you'd have to give up your current job (unless your employer would be willing to give you a six month leave of absence) without any guarantee of success.

Also, you'd have to show the German Embassy that you have researched Germany and life in Germany and that you have already tried to apply for jobs from where you are now.

Not enough research/not enough genuine interest in Germany is one of the top reasons for rejection for that visa. So, do your homework and don't come across as somebody who doesn't care where they end up as long as it's Europe and you won't need to pay a huge fee for somebody to fill in a form for you.

jollyfrancis 27th June 2019 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALKB (Post 14896168)
Why would you need an agent to apply for a jobseeker visa?

Have you actually done any research on that visa?

It allows you to go to Germany for up to 6 months - if you are skilled and can prove that you have enough money to pay your living expenses for the time the visa is valid and that you have access to adequate accommodation.

You are NOT allowed to work on that visa, it's more like a pre-approval for a work visa but only if you find an employer that is able and willing to sponsor you can you apply for a work permit in country. You cannot work until the actual work permit is issued.

So, you'd have to give up your current job (unless your employer would be willing to give you a six month leave of absence) without any guarantee of success.

Also, you'd have to show the German Embassy that you have researched Germany and life in Germany and that you have already tried to apply for jobs from where you are now.

Not enough research/not enough genuine interest in Germany is one of the top reasons for rejection for that visa. So, do your homework and don't come across as somebody who doesn't care where they end up as long as it's Europe and you won't need to pay a huge fee for somebody to fill in a form for you.



HI ALKB

Thanks for your very truthful response.

As you aptly said, we (my friend & myself) will submit the application at the Embassy directly instead of paying the unnecessary agent payment.

We have and doing research about the Germany job market and the expenses that might be incurred during our job search till we find an employer. We both are in IT sector and we have seen many job postings across different companies in the job search portals in Germany. Hopefully we may be able to get a job there. God bless us.

But one point as mentioned in your post that "Not enough research/not enough genuine interest in Germany is one of the top reasons for rejection for that visa" is a point to further looked into. We find that we do not need to attend an interview with the Embassy for the job seeker visa. Can you please guide us how the officials assess our genuine interest if there is no personal interview?

Regarding accommodation, we hope we could reserve one before we present our application. That is the process right ?

Regarding employer sponsorship, is there any chance that we get an employer by offering our free service for some period of time ? How people normally arrange this in your understanding ?

Thanks once again for your quick and factual replies.

ALKB 27th June 2019 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jollyfrancis (Post 14896186)

But one point as mentioned in your post that "Not enough research/not enough genuine interest in Germany is one of the top reasons for rejection for that visa" is a point to further looked into. We find that we do not need to attend an interview with the Embassy for the job seeker visa. Can you please guide us how the officials assess our genuine interest if there is no personal interview?

There is some sort of cover letter/personal statement that you submit as part of your supporting documents. It should avoid generic stuff and focus on your specific situation. Adding print outs of applications/correspondence with German companies is also useful. As far as I can tell, the Embassy wants to see that you have already made an effort to find sponsorship without jobseeker visa (much cheaper, you should try that in any case!) and had some feedback.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jollyfrancis (Post 14896186)
Regarding accommodation, we hope we could reserve one before we present our application. That is the process right ?

You either need proof of booked accommodation or an official guarantee letter from somebody resident in Germany willing to put you up.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jollyfrancis (Post 14896186)
Regarding employer sponsorship, is there any chance that we get an employer by offering our free service for some period of time ? How people normally arrange this in your understanding ?

Thanks once again for your quick and factual replies.

You can't work on Jobseeker visa, not even for free. I you are employed/sponsored, you should be paid - anything else will get you in trouble with taxes and health insurance and whatnot. Sponsorship is arranged by applying, interviewing and getting a job offer. German language skills are always a plus because it shows that you are genuinely interested in staying long term.

Do you have dependents who are going to join you in Germany?

If so (and also if you don't have dependents), you should also look into BlueCard vs. traditional work permit and keep in mind the minimum salary requirements for both.


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