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Old 11th July 2019, 12:21 PM
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Check the specific requirements for that one. It sounds very much like one of the residence permits here in France - which requires you to have 5 years of residence in France on any combination of specific single-year residence permits. Once you have the 5 year permit, you can then relocate to another country within the EU and just need to apply for the appropriate residence permit in that country (i.e. without having to get a visa).
Yes, you need 5 years of residence in Germany first to get that permit, and also need to have health insurance, basic knowledge of Germany, sufficient German language skills, work if you're of working age, be contributing to the pension system, etc.

Once you're a permanent resident in an EU country (that is, after 5 years of residence AND getting the permanent residence permit, which is not automatic) you do have some rights to settle on other EU countries.

In Germany, you'd need an Aufenhaltserlaubnis renewable for the first 5 years, then apply for and be granted the permanent residence version, the Niederlassungserlaubnis.

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Thanks. I've held the Niederlassungserlaubnis for the past three years. Since I need to renew now anyway after having renewed my US passport, I'm considering going for the EU permit.

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Thanks. I've held the Niederlassungserlaubnis for the past three years. Since I need to renew now anyway after having renewed my US passport, I'm considering going for the EU permit.
Absolutely, why not!

I assume you're thinking of maybe moving to another EU country after that?

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No specific plans at present, but I would certainly like to have that option in place in case I do decide to move.

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If you've held a residence permit for the last 3 years, won't you need another 2 years before you'll be eligible for the EU long-stay permit?

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No specific plans at present, but I would certainly like to have that option in place in case I do decide to move.
I hold Australian and UK passports, but don't know what will happen with Brexit.

Still here in Perth, but our house is on the market since two weeks ago (avg selling time is about 2-3 months where I live) and we expect to be back in Germany for a few weeks, very likely sometime between September and Christmas.

We'll move to Austria for 12-18 months and then we'll go back to Germany permanently.

I can't ever take up German Citizenship (would lose the Australian one, and my government service pension income would then be taxable in Germany, and it's not taxable by Australia as long as I stay an Australian citizen, or by Germany, due to the dual taxation agreement between them).

So unless the UK stays in the EU, I'll have to go through the residence permit stuff, although being retired and with a German wife (kids have German, UK and Aussie passports, born in Australia) it should be fairly simple.


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If you've held a residence permit for the last 3 years, won't you need another 2 years before you'll be eligible for the EU long-stay permit?
He's had the Niederlassungserlaubnis (permanent residence permit) for 3 years already so I assume he must have had an ordinary residence permit for 5 years to get that.

You can hold the permanent residence card and the Erlaubnis zum Daueraufenthalt-EU (Permanent Residence-EU) card simultaneously, just need to have had any any residence card for 5 years, know about Germany, speak some German, etc as a prerequisite.

If you stay outside the EU for more than 12 consecutive months, you can lose the Erlaubnis zum Daueraufenthalt-EU and residing outside Germany for 6 years or more can lose it too.

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You mentioned holding the Niederlassungserlaubnis and the Erlaubnis zum Daueraufenthalt-EU simultaneously.

Does this mean I would have two separate ID cards?

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You mentioned holding the Niederlassungserlaubnis and the Erlaubnis zum Daueraufenthalt-EU simultaneously.

Does this mean I would have two separate ID cards?
From what I can tell, yes. You can apparently hold both permits at the same time.

The only difference between the two cards seems to be that in the "Art des Titels" line yours should say Niederlassungserlaubnis and the other one would say Daueraufenthalt-EU, otherwise they look identical.


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Not every EU country can live without a visa even for EU citizens. In some countries there are restrictions on life in their country. You need a permanent job in that country or a residence permit.

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