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We just returned from our first househunting and school search trip in Lyon. We are looking at all of the Int'l Schools including Ombrosa, CSI, ISL, Greenfield, West Point for our 6 year old and possibly one of our three year olds. We were shocked that we were able to just walk into any school - no locks, screening by receptionist etc .. is this the norm for France? Haven't they watched the news in China , U.S. etc ??? Am I just being paranoid ? Any input appreciated. Regards, Jennifer

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It's not always like that. During periods of particular security alert (like when we had the bombings on the métro here in Paris) the schools can be ringed with those heavy barriers to prohibit people from parking too close to the school.

In the public schools, there generally aren't receptionists or whatever, and parents aren't particularly welcome inside the schools during the school day. They make the parents wait outside when they are picking up their kids at lunch or after school - even in the pouring rain. The international schools may be different, but my impression is that school security in France is generally pretty good, at least for the younger kids.
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Most unfortunately, some schools have not yet fully incorporated risk management as part of their education and protection strategy. This said, you could add a sort of laisser-faire in some cases . In some other cases, it is just the opposite, with policemen in uniforms or security staff as well as some screening device at the gate, high security fences and electronic access card for the pupils. If your kid is late to school you might even receive an sms in some other schools.

From there, you make your choice. Norms in France are just meant to be broken most times. But in some areas it is worthwhile to have a look on the socio-economic and criminal patters and avoid registering the kids. That what most people do when they can afford it. And many can. As for terror, well, let us not think of it.

No paranoia, CSI in Lyon is just the average good school in the town with an extremely relaxed security atmosphere. Since incident occurred in the area, it is widely accepted. Have you asked the management what they think about their security measures if any?

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Around here, all the schools are behind locked gates. I'm pretty sure it's just to keep the parents out

I find school security to be a bit baffling in that it seems to go overboard to some extent (the locked gates during the school day where no one gets in and out, but at the end of the day they just unlock those gates and send the kids out. No one cares whether a parent or pedophile is there to pick them up.

Honestly, I don't think anyone should be all that worried about a stranger walking in to the school. The bigger threat is from the other students. I am surprised at what level of physical aggression/bullying/fighting there is at my kids' primary school. There is minmal (at best) supervision during recess and lunch and a sort of Lord of the Flies mentality among some kids. (And we're in a good area! Higher socio-economic status than average.) Talk to other parents if you can and try to get the real scoop on student safety through their eyes.

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I like that, thanks a lot....

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Around here, all the schools are behind locked gates. I'm pretty sure it's just to keep the parents out

I find school security to be a bit baffling in that it seems to go overboard to some extent (the locked gates during the school day where no one gets in and out, but at the end of the day they just unlock those gates and send the kids out. No one cares whether a parent or pedophile is there to pick them up.

Honestly, I don't think anyone should be all that worried about a stranger walking in to the school. The bigger threat is from the other students. I am surprised at what level of physical aggression/bullying/fighting there is at my kids' primary school. There is minmal (at best) supervision during recess and lunch and a sort of Lord of the Flies mentality among some kids. (And we're in a good area! Higher socio-economic status than average.) Talk to other parents if you can and try to get the real scoop on student safety through their eyes.
Well put, that sums up my experience of schools my kids have attended in different areas of France.

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Well put, that sums up my experience of schools my kids have attended in different areas of France.
Picking up on the sub-topic, the comments about the real risks being from other pupils and the lax response of the school staff: We are seeing the same thing. Our 4-year old has been at school here since Sept. last year. He has done really well at grasping the language and is a quiet and studious child. On occasions he has come home talking about being kicked or pushed. Occasionally he has had bruises, but all children get those themselves. I drop him at school and pick him up each evening. He is very popular with all the children in his class - however the same name keeps coming up as the culprit! I have spoken with other parents, both French and ex-pat (not many of us) and the same name occurs. He is even known locally as '***** the kicker'. I have seen this myself and had to intervene and distract the child. The staff just ignored it.

Our 3-year old starts at this year's reentree and I heard our son telling her that if '*****' comes towards her, she is to run away and he will chase him away! This is a very strange attitude from the school - to let the very young children manage this.

I guess it is cultural. Is this the trade-off for a class of 16 children with 2 teachers here in France versus the UK with 30+ children and a harassed over-worked teacher but a process to detect and address bullying?

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I guess it is cultural. Is this the trade-off for a class of 16 children with 2 teachers here in France versus the UK with 30+ children and a harassed over-worked teacher but a process to detect and address bullying?

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You're right that it's cultural, but I attribute it more to the "pigeonhole" mentality when it comes to jobs and careers. Teachers are paid to teach - the national curriculum, not manners and social interaction, nor to "babysit" the kids at recess or lunchtime. The teachers claim to have little enough break time, so during their breaks, they have no responsibilities toward the kids. Sometimes the schools hire part-time "monitors" to keep an eye on the kids during recess and lunch - often young people just out of school and on their first jobs.

It's kind of the same with doctors, for example. A generalist will examine you and prescribe certain tests or medications, but for anything other than fairly standard ailments, their primary job seems to be to refer you to the appropriate specialist. And each specialist does only treatments within their area of specialty without ever consulting anyone in any other specialty.

Jobs here are very strictly defined with little or no cross-over - or so it seems.
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You're right that it's cultural, but I attribute it more to the "pigeonhole" mentality when it comes to jobs and careers. Teachers are paid to teach - the national curriculum, not manners and social interaction, nor to "babysit" the kids at recess or lunchtime.
My kids' school has an Anglophone section and we had a parent meeting Monday night. The topic of bullying came up. I loved the one woman's explanation about how until recently, bullying didn't even exist in French schools - there simply wasn't a name for it, so therefore it didn't exist. If you had a problem with another student's behavior, you had to go to the mairie to report it because it was a civility issue. It wasn't actually a *school problem* because it had nothing to do with the teaching/learning that was going on. (Although bullying can most certainly interfere with the ability to learn.)

One of the reasons this came up is because next week all classes are getting a program on the dangers of the internet. It's a trickle-down piece from the collège which has had some serious incidences of cyber bullying that have actually merited intervention from the school. As someone pointed out, cyberbulling leaves evidence that you can print out. They couldn't deny it wasn't happening. What was surprising was that they decided there would be discipline as a result.

I am hopeful, albeit only a teeny-tiny bit optimistic, that this is the start of some awareness of the problems with bullying at the school.

And to the person who has the classmate known as the kicker - I heard a few years back at our school there was a kid who was a biter. After lots of practice he on students he bit a teacher and that got him kicked out. Maybe the kicker at your kid's school will be so ingrained to lash out by kicking that he'll make the same mistake.

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