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Hello, I own a small apartment in Paris (since late 2001 - after I saw 9/11 was going to be used "politically" forever - fear, fear, fear) and spend a certain amount of time there every year (my main home is California but until a few years ago traveled internationally many months a year - plan to start that up again soon). When at the Paris Apt have never stayed longer than 3 months so have never needed a visa or anything.

I have now gotten into a mindset where it's time for me to spend more time in Paris, would like to work there, be able to stay there at least 6 months a visit, and possibly get on the French Health Care system. I own a business here (USA) that must stay here but I basically have someone else running the day to day, I do the over site (it doesn't require that much attention after building it for decades). My other work is a Photographer that basically shots Travel and Fashion. I would like to open a small studio in Paris with a few European friends (Swedish). We have worked with top agencies such as Ford and Elite in LA so I think we would get some work at our Studio in Paris.

I see 3 avenues to achieving my goals for France. The standard way it's done (has to work smoother than the USA), marrying a Spanish friend that would put me in the EU system (which I believe would cover France if I'm correct - 13 original EU Country members share same rules and are interchangable I believe) She would have a work permit (or more) for the USA. Last would be my Girl Friend is 3/4 Italian - Father born and raised in Italy, mother's Parents born and raised in Italy - if she was to become a dual citizen (USA/Italian) and then we married would I (and she) be in the EU? If not what would it take to be ?

If Health Care doesn't pass in the USA - including Government offered - by this August it never will. I feel more and more this will be the outcome - it will get knocked down. Since I am 100% fed up with our taxes going to needless wars but no Health Care - or much else for the citizens of the country - it's time to leave. I can't agree with the policy, I find it total immoral that people are denied health care for financial profits for a few greedy fat cats. I find most of Europe much more humane, this is the kind of more "humane caring" atmosphere I would like to live in. Thank You for any information in advance, Zoom (forgot to mention, still would need to spend about 2 months in the USA per year due to the other business)

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I am an attorney from California and also live in France. I would be glad to talk to you and share whatever experiences that may help you...just let me know if you would like to talk.


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Hello, I own a small apartment in Paris (since late 2001 - after I saw 9/11 was going to be used "politically" forever - fear, fear, fear) and spend a certain amount of time there every year (my main home is California but until a few years ago traveled internationally many months a year - plan to start that up again soon). When at the Paris Apt have never stayed longer than 3 months so have never needed a visa or anything.

I have now gotten into a mindset where it's time for me to spend more time in Paris, would like to work there, be able to stay there at least 6 months a visit, and possibly get on the French Health Care system. I own a business here (USA) that must stay here but I basically have someone else running the day to day, I do the over site (it doesn't require that much attention after building it for decades). My other work is a Photographer that basically shots Travel and Fashion. I would like to open a small studio in Paris with a few European friends (Swedish). We have worked with top agencies such as Ford and Elite in LA so I think we would get some work at our Studio in Paris.

I see 3 avenues to achieving my goals for France. The standard way it's done (has to work smoother than the USA), marrying a Spanish friend that would put me in the EU system (which I believe would cover France if I'm correct - 13 original EU Country members share same rules and are interchangable I believe) She would have a work permit (or more) for the USA. Last would be my Girl Friend is 3/4 Italian - Father born and raised in Italy, mother's Parents born and raised in Italy - if she was to become a dual citizen (USA/Italian) and then we married would I (and she) be in the EU? If not what would it take to be ?

If Health Care doesn't pass in the USA - including Government offered - by this August it never will. I feel more and more this will be the outcome - it will get knocked down. Since I am 100% fed up with our taxes going to needless wars but no Health Care - or much else for the citizens of the country - it's time to leave. I can't agree with the policy, I find it total immoral that people are denied health care for financial profits for a few greedy fat cats. I find most of Europe much more humane, this is the kind of more "humane caring" atmosphere I would like to live in. Thank You for any information in advance, Zoom (forgot to mention, still would need to spend about 2 months in the USA per year due to the other business)

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Let me caution you about getting too tricky with your plans to move to France. While the marriage route is often the most direct, they are on the outlook for phony marriages concocted to secure residence rights.

It's possible to get a visa and carte de séjour by opening up a business in France. Not easy, but definitely possible. If you're working with Swedish partners on this, you have your "in." (Though money and the prospect of hiring a few French people will help.)

Marrying the Spanish friend is one thing, but you realize you have to live together in France in order to make the residence side of things "stick." And you would subject all her worldwide income to French income (and other) taxes too.

The Italian girl friend is probably a better alternative - though the same caveats apply. To get the various benefits of French residence, you would have to live in France together for more than 183 days a year. But check with the Italian consulate - she may need a period of residence in Italy to claim the Italian citizenship.

But no matter how you do it, things will go much smoother if you have a reasonably good command of the language.

Remember, too, that as a French resident all your worldwide income (and property) are subject to French taxes (which includes any income or property held by your wife), and that as an American citizen, you still have to file annual returns and settle up US taxes with the IRS, subject to various treaty provisions meant to eliminate double taxation.

Participation in the French health care system is subject to your making "cotisations" - and for someone who is a business owner in France, those run about 40 - 60% of your earnings from your business, depending on how you are set up and whether you're taking "salary" or "draw" from the business.
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