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Apologies if this has been covered before but anyway here goes.

Assuming that after 31/12/2020, British citizens are to be treated in the same way as Americans, Australians, Brazilians and so on, I understand that it will be possible, subject to meeting various criteria (insurance, proof of residence, proof of adequate finance, etc.), for British second-home owners to get a 6-month visa for France.

As things stand, what is the position for Australians, Americans, Brazilians etc who have such a 6-month visa with regard to travel out of France to other countries in the Schengen zone?

Are they marooned in France for the validity of this 6-month visa?
Or are they permitted to leave France and visit other Schengen states during this period?
If the above is permitted how long may they stay out of France?
Does the 90-day rule perhaps cut in for exits from France to Italy, Germany, Spain and so on?

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I believe (I.e. this was the case, and I think it still is) that short term visas (<1 Year) are actually Schengen visas. So, you should be free to travel. But, even if that is no longer the case, when you leave France and, say, enter Italy, you'd still be entitled to the standard 90/180 day Schengen tourist visa.

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I believe (I.e. this was the case, and I think it still is) that short term visas (<1 Year) are actually Schengen visas. So, you should be free to travel. But, even if that is no longer the case, when you leave France and, say, enter Italy, you'd still be entitled to the standard 90/180 day Schengen tourist visa.
But it is significantly complicated by the Schengen area - and both France and Italy are Schengen countries - you need a Schengen visa to stay more than 90 days in Schengen.

BTW Australians also require a Schengen visa to stay anywhere in Schengen (including France) for more than 90 days.

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During its period of validity, the long-stay visa is equivalent to a Schengen visa, enabling you to move around and stay in the Schengen Area outside France for periods not exceeding 90 days over any period of 180 consecutive days, under the same conditions as if you held a Schengen visa.

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Just to summarize - at this point, any visa with a duration over 90 days is considered a "long stay" visa. As someone on a long stay visa, you have the right to visit within the Schengen zone for up to 90 days in any 180 day period (just like on a Schengen visa). But during this time you are considered to be resident in France and "just visiting" in the Schengen countries.

But these things change over time and it pays to keep current with the latest rules - especially in the case of Brits coming over to the EU. There has been some talk of allowing them six months (I guess a reciprocal thing - like how the UK allows Americans to stay in the UK for up to 6 months without a visa).

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All points noted.
Very many thanks for the helpful replies - as always on this forum!
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Hello,
It is hard to answer the specific situation of British nationals situation as yet.

But to answer in terms of French immigration law regarding non-EU citizens, the CESEDA is the appropriate source. The code of entry and residence of foreigners and right of asylum, in French "code de l'entrée et du séjour des étrangers et du droit d'asile" (CESEDA), is the legal code compiling French laws and regulations related to the rights of foreigners on French soil.

It applies all non-EU nationalities except Algerian (managed by a specific bilateral agreement).

To answer more specifically to your question, all non-EU citizen wanting to remain more than 90 days in France should request a long-stay visa, also called type D visa. The visa type D can be from 3 months up to one year.
Then you need to check which motive of type D visa applies to your situation.

It seems that the Visitor visa may be the relevant one as you would be coming for extended vacation and do not plan to work in France.
To get this visa you will need to prove that you have enough income to remain in France all the duration of your visa.
The question remains if the UK citizens will fall under the CESEDA or not, but no one as a crystal ball yet...

I hope this helps.

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Hello and thanks again for the information.
I love being in France but don't want to become a permanent resident.
I guess there must be plenty of people in this category - those with the means to support themselves for a 6-month, continuous stay in a second home.
Benefits for both sides - we avoid the hassle of the 90-day rule; and contribute to the local economy.
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...those with the means to support themselves for a 6-month, continuous stay in a second home. ...
FYI, There is no 6 month limit. You could just as easily ask for a 9 month or even a 1 year visa de long séjour. As long as you maintain your principal residence, the center of your financial and professional activities outside of France you will not be considered a French tax resident, even if you do stay in France for more than 183 days per year.

The law states if any of the following are true you are a French tax resident. If none apply, you are not.
  • Les personnes qui ont en France leur foyer ou le lieu de leur séjour principal ;
  • Celles qui exercent en France une activité professionnelle, salariée ou non, à moins qu'elles ne justifient que cette activité y est exercée à titre accessoire ;
  • Celles qui ont en France le centre de leurs intérêts économiques.

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OK and thank you for that additional information.
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