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This goes out to those who are teachers.

I would like to know what would be the necessary steps to complete in order to teach as a Math teacher in France.
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I already have a Masters in Education 7-12 and a Bachelors in Math.
I am fluent in French.
Did 1 year of student teaching (2018-2019) at a public high school
Completed my first year teaching (2019-2020) --> starting my 2nd year (2020-2021) at a private high school in NYC

Would it be easy for an American to make that transition?
Are there certain tests that I would need to take?

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Can you do all the calculations in French, including in your head?

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Yes I can, if that means also including math terminology when doing the calculations, yes. FYI: My first language is French.

I teach my students techniques on how to do math quickly and solve it mentally rather than using the calculator. This is a commom thing that American students do -- using the calculator for basic, math calculations. It drives me crazy!
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Just one aside here - the French schools teach their own methods of calculation, which I think you'd probably need to be familiar with in order to go with a program like the one being discussed here: https://www.expatforum.com/expats/fr...er-france.html

I only stumbled onto the French approach to math teaching when I was going for my ham radio exams. There is a particular way they approach standard math problems and calculations - and that's what you're expected to teach. Not any fast and efficient methods (like how I learned math in the US).

But take a look at the thread there on English teachers. If the schools in your area have a need for math teachers, you can always apply to the Academie for one of these contract positions and see what they say.

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I don't have current or detailed information, but it's worth checking..

1. Do you have to be a French national to teach in tbe Education Nationale?

2. In French private schools the teachers are employed as fonctionnaires in the EN.

3. You may need to sit the Capes exam to get anywhere. I don't know about maths, but for French language teachers it's pretty tough.


Agree with Bev that French teaching metnods are "different". Even the English language is taught in a technical "French" way. I taught at a French business school for 8 years. My overall comment is that French students excel at material in the syllabus, and do not accept anything outside. French children are not encouraged to explore and experiment in many subjects. The French method is to do it the "correct" way first time without "FAUTE". This word seems to be used more than "well done".

Have you thought about engineering ESCs? As an engineering student I loved maths. Try Esigelec at Rouen and other ESCs at heavy metal areas such as Toulouse and Le Mans. Happy to give you more details.


Good luck....DejW.
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By "high school" I assume you mean "lycée".

As for Clothmama who enquired about becoming a "proper" English teacher, I think the only route open to you in the French state school system is to apply for a contractuel post.

You would have to contact the Rectorat of your area in France. Maths teachers are in great demand (science students usually prefer other, more lucrative jobs).

I don't know how you would go about getting a visa though...

edit to add the answer to DejW's question 1)
You have to be a French or EU national to sit the CAPES (CAFEP for private schools) or Agrégation externes which are the two main ways of become a professeur titulaire (and therefore a fonctionnaire).


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I was going to raise the visa issue that Lydi already did.

I believe you would have to already be resident here in France with work privileges before you could apply for that contractuel program. The school system probably can't hire foreigners and then "sponsor" them for a work visa.

However, if you are married to a French person and living in France on a spouse visa or on some other form of "family visa" with work privileges, you could apply directly to the Academie where you were living.

Another option would be to look into some of the US-French teacher "exchange" programs, though these are usually limited to a year or two. And at the moment, they won't be available until the travel restrictions are lifted.

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Do you really want to work in a French school ?

That is the question you should be asking yourself.

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Thanks for the info Bev. I did some research to check to difference between US and France teaching instruction in Math... huge difference. I see that the French students work more with the higher tiers of cognitive skills such as analyzing, evaluating, and creating to go into depth with this subject.
If I learned their standard way to teach math problems and calculations, I don't think I would have an issue with that.

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Do you really want to work in a French school ?

That is the question you should be asking yourself.
I check some comparisons between teaching in France and the states. Everything from teacher-student relationship (level of formality), schedules, class sizes, administrators (not heavily involved), salary, technology, etc.
There are some things I can adapt to easily, others would take getting used to.

Do I want to work in a French school? I wouldn't want to pass up an opportunity if I could work in one. Education is a high priority there compared to US, I speak to language (French is my 1st language), I'm a teacher, and have experience teaching and tutoring children and teenagers.
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