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I was hoping someone could give me some information about quotes for a building project. Our neighbor is a carpenter, fully above board, with a good reputation. He's already doing some smaller things around our house and we are happy with the work he does. We asked him for a quote to replace an old wood floor but it is more than we were planning to spend (or hoping to spend ) on a floor. Almost 3000 euro for 28m2 (which also includes removing the old floor and leveling).

The quote does not specify the price for the wood/ plinths and labor separately, this is totaled as one amount. We don't know if there is cheaper flooring and we would skip on the plinths for now in order to reduce the amount. Is there any negotiation room when it comes to quotes? We don't want to offend him.

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... Is there any negotiation room when it comes to quotes? We don't want to offend him. ...
You may certainly discuss the devis with the carpenter. It is quite proper to ask about altering the materials or the scope of the job. You can also just say this is a bit more than we have available at the moment, are there ways we could change the work to reduce costs?

Think of it this way, if you wanted a better quality material and also wanted to include an additional room, would you have qualms discussing that?

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Hello,

I was hoping someone could give me some information about quotes for a building project. Our neighbor is a carpenter, fully above board, with a good reputation. He's already doing some smaller things around our house and we are happy with the work he does. We asked him for a quote to replace an old wood floor but it is more than we were planning to spend (or hoping to spend ) on a floor. Almost 3000 euro for 28m2 (which also includes removing the old floor and leveling).

The quote does not specify the price for the wood/ plinths and labor separately, this is totaled as one amount. We don't know if there is cheaper flooring and we would skip on the plinths for now in order to reduce the amount. Is there any negotiation room when it comes to quotes? We don't want to offend him.

Thank you.
Personally I think 3000 euros is a very good price.

You won't get it cheaper unless you do it yourself.

But you need to know what wood is going down.

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Thank you for your replies. We'll have think it over some more. We weren't really sure what price to expect and trying to be conservative in these economic times (we're self-employed). Maybe we will just postpone the floor for a while as I prefer him doing it. He is using pine btw.

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Thank you for your replies. We'll have think it over some more. We weren't really sure what price to expect and trying to be conservative in these economic times (we're self-employed). Maybe we will just postpone the floor for a while as I prefer him doing it. He is using pine btw.
I'd still at least mention to him that it's a bit more than you were planning on. If nothing else, he may explain where the costs are in the project (say, offer a lower grade of material or a different way of doing the work) and the issues involved with adjusting the quote in that manner so that you have a better idea of what's involved.

And definitely mention that you're just postponing due to current economic uncertainties if that's what you decide to do. You certainly won't be the first customers to have to delay work like that.

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Why not ask if he would do it in 2 stages, so that he does the plinths at a later time? Though TBH I doubt waiting for the plinths would save you much, unless there are a fair few difficult corners etc.

(There are various types of pine that can be used for flooring, but I assume you know precisely what type he is proposing.)

Frankly, if it were me, I would prefer to know that the tradesman is good and that the job includes appropriate levelling etc. so that I would be happy with the final result. A devis would usually be good for acceptance within IIRC a month, though that doesn't mean the job would be done straight away, perhaps it would be worth discussing the tiling of this particular project, which could allow him to take on other jobs in the meantime for people who want their work sooner rather than later.

Though if you are worried about being able to afford that much, perhaps just tell him that you prefer to hold off for a time, but that it is a job that you definitely want him to do and get him to keep all the details so that he can give you a revised quote later on.

I doubt you would be the first customer who has decided to defer a job to ensure they can cover the cost.

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Sorry I don't think that is a good price at all - that is over €100 / m2!

Pine flooring is not expensive and that is not a big room at all - €10-15 / m2 (€420 at the higher end). Pulling up a floor that size would only take a day and ditto laying the new floor. Longer if he is doing the varnishing - perhaps one more day. So really a job no longer than 3 days - even at a very optimistic material cost of €1000 that is €2000 for 3 days work, almost twice what most people get paid in a month. Sorry I think you are being had! If it was 3 x 8/h days that works out at over €83 / hour (and that is with a huge over estimate for the materials!!). Really not in line with what tradesmen here charge (unless they are quoting foreigners!).

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The price for leveling is a little less than 300, removal also a little less than 300 and the rest is for labour and price of materials.
It is definitely out of our budget. To be fair, I didn't know what price to expect, but we didn't think it would be this much. We're also in a very rural area, should that make a difference.
He is known in the area to be a very good tradesman, for what it's worth.

Thanks for the input, it is very much appreciated.

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Sorry I don't think that is a good price at all - that is over €100 / m2!

Pine flooring is not expensive and that is not a big room at all - €10-15 / m2 (€420 at the higher end). Pulling up a floor that size would only take a day and ditto laying the new floor. Longer if he is doing the varnishing - perhaps one more day. So really a job no longer than 3 days - even at a very optimistic material cost of €1000 that is €2000 for 3 days work, almost twice what most people get paid in a month. Sorry I think you are being had! If it was 3 x 8/h days that works out at over €83 / hour (and that is with a huge over estimate for the materials!!). Really not in line with what tradesmen here charge (unless they are quoting foreigners!).

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The guy has got to make money otherwise there is no point being in business.

Artisans are expensive in France for a reason.

After all his costs I bet you he is not making much money.
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I personally would not put a pine flooring down.

Close your ears everyone....It looks rubbish.

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