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I am able to retire early and would like to move to France with my daughter, who is 15. She is learning French. Will she be able to stay with me and go to University in France or will she have to move back to the states when she turns 18? She wants to stay with me (at least that's what she's saying now).

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There are actually a couple of issues you may run up against here.

The key one is, if your daughter is 15, are you planning on sending her to the public schools here or to a private school to finish a US or International bac type of program? It would be really difficult for her to integrate into a public school bac program at her age, I would think. (Especially as the bac requirements are changing.) Getting into a French university depend on her getting her bac (or bac equivalent, which for the US system is high school diploma plus 1 year of US college or university). You say she is learning French, but she would need a fairly strong level of French to follow a standard lycée curriculum - and then there are the "peculiarities" of the French school system in the areas of writing, essays, answering questions, etc.

Then, your family situation will become very relevant when it comes to getting a visa for her. Generally speaking, the acknowledgement and permission of both parents is required to move a minor abroad. If her other parent is deceased, then a death certificate will do. If there is a divorce in the family you will need to get permission from the other parent to take her out of the country.

At the age of 18, your daughter will have to qualify for her own visa/residence permit - most likely as a student.
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JenSeven -- I don't see why not. Assuming you were able to qualify for a visa and your daughter received a dependent visa; she should be able to either remain on a dependent visa or a student visa, at the very least. My own children went to college in 5 different countries, all on student visas (albeit not France, but included 3 EU countries.) Cheers, 255

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I don't see visa issues for your daughter if she is your dependent, but I suspect that she would likely not have a sufficient command of French to go to a state school (she would need a high level at that age) and that you should look into private international schools.

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JenSeven -- Bev brings up all good points (I didn't address them, only your question.) I go by the motto -- "where there is a will, there is a way." Off course, Bev is addressing getting accepted to a French Uni. in the first place -- which is another piece of your planning. The International Baccalaureate is world-wide and sans graduating with an IB diploma -- an additional year of college is the common substitute (Grade 13, if you will.) Fortunately, there are a multitude of on-line programs now, that may meet your needs. I don't know if you and your daughter have planned out a target school, but I suspect the school counselling staff would be more than willing to advise you on a "way ahead" to meet admission requirements for your desired programs -- at least that's been my experience with dealing with colleges in 5 other countries. Cheers, 255

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Fortunately, there are a multitude of on-line programs now, that may meet your needs.
Oh, you are a genius . There are accredited online US schools so she could finish her US schooling online while living in France with me. She has been doing online since March and is doing the coming year online because of germs, she has been performing really well so far. Says it causes less anxiety for her.

One of my degrees is from OpenClassrooms, which is in Paris but it's an online school. It is apparently a Bologna Bachelor's Degree. Would something like that qualify her for a student visa once she's 18?

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The other consideration is which type of visa and residence permit would you get. For example, the basic visitor-temporary (visa de long sj́our - visiteur temporaire / VLS-TS) is the easiest to get. However, you will not be able to work and will need to have private healthcare and show sufficient financial resources to support your stay. This visa is renewable in France and after 5 years you would normally be eligible for a 10-year residence permit.

However, there are many other options that you might be eligible for and that might meet your needs. Also, your long-term plans will have a big impact on the type of visa you get. The best thing to do is check-out the official French visa web site (in English) at https://france-visas.gouv.fr/en_US/w...s/welcome-page

Caveat: the description above is just to give a general context. The actual visas and the process to get them can be complex and, especially in your case, will require some study.

But, as others have noted, if you really want this, you should be able to make it work.

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The other consideration is which type of visa and residence permit would you get. For example, the basic visitor-temporary (visa de long sj́our - visiteur temporaire / VLS-TS) is the easiest to get. However, you will not be able to work and will need to have private healthcare and show sufficient financial resources to support your stay. This visa is renewable in France and after 5 years you would normally be eligible for a 10-year residence permit.
That is the one I am planning on getting. I know it will require a lot of research, I am doing that right now.
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JenSeven -- I perused the Openclassrooms web-site and could not find a mention for visas; might best inquire with them directly. Check out "Campus France." they have schools listed by subject matter, regions, etc. and can be searched in various ways.

Just so you know, school is mandatory for ages 6 to 16 in France. My understanding is that France has not been a proponent of distance learning, in the past, but with the COVID-19 pandemic, they are aggressively looking to establish "virtual" classrooms and online education, may become de rigueur. Your daughter may need to be dual registered for a year, or so, at least until she turns 17 (unless, of course the powers to be accept your chosen program.)

From experience, I recommend enrolling your daughter into some kind of group activity: martial arts, swim team, ski team, volleyball, chess club or anything to make friends and socialize. All will help her learn French, along with perhaps an immersion French class, to boost her French language skills to a level required for University. It is not uncommon for students enrolling in a foreign university to take 6 months to a year of intensive language training to prepare for the "real" academic curriculum. Cheers, 255
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One caveat here to some of the comments - there isn't a "dependent visa" for a "visiteur" visa. Your daughter will wind up (most likely) with a student visa (which requires that she be accepted into some school program before applying for the visa) or will most likely get a visiteur visa like yours, given that she is your dependent (and so dependent on your financial resources and source of health insurance).

As a visiteur, she will be eligible to attend the local public schools - but it may be a tough slog if her language skills aren't up to expectations. Depending on where you'll be living, there may be help available through the schools, but whether or not it will be sufficient to get through the bac is an open question.

Don't know what your time frame is, but you may well want to try and get a copy of the AAWE's Guide to Education https://www.aaweparis.org/books/guide-to-education for a better understanding of what your options are for schools.

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