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Old 9th July 2020, 11:07 AM
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Well, maybe not really humorous, but none-the-less funny.

After years of ignoring our tax filing here in France, when we got our 10 Year CdR this year, we decided we'd better set things right and finally filed this year. Then, just today, we received a letter telling us our filing was not accepted because we are not fiscal residents in France! So, now I have to prove to the tax office that we indeed are residents so that they will accept our filing and allow us to owe nothing.

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Well, maybe not really humorous, but none-the-less funny.

After years of ignoring our tax filing here in France, when we got our 10 Year CdR this year, we decided we'd better set things right and finally filed this year. Then, just today, we received a letter telling us our filing was not accepted because we are not fiscal residents in France! So, now I have to prove to the tax office that we indeed are residents so that they will accept our filing and allow us to owe nothing.

Seriously, there must be humor in that somewhere
???? I assume you had some reason to do so, and I also assume that France still considers that to be the case.

There is someone else on the forum who had not filed in France and still been able to get either a 5 year or 10 year card, and he also lives in the south of France.

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Hello Berky!

You could find yourself in a classic catch 22 situation...Mr Heller would be proud of you. It is entirely possible that you can only enter the French tax system if you can prove residency. Clearly to prove residency you must provide your last 3 years tax returns.

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You could find yourself in a classic catch 22 situation...Mr Heller would be proud of you. It is entirely possible that you can only enter the French tax system if you can prove residency. Clearly to prove residency you must provide your last 3 years tax returns.

Cynically yours....DejW
I think it would just be a matter of going into the local tax office and sorting it out with them.

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Dear EH.....I was trying to be funny, I'm so sorry I failed so miserably. Have you read Catch 22? You might find it "interesting".

Of course, if you do go to your local tax office you must have a copy of Catch 22 under your arm, in French, naturally.

A joke a day keeps the misery at bay.......DejW
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Our accountant spent a few months convincing our local tax office that we a) existed, b) were residents, and c) wanted to be in the system.

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I remember that when I was preparing to file my first income declaration in France, I was surprised at how cagey the tax office was about accepting it. I'd kind of assumed that they wouldn't turn anyone away who offered to pay tax, but no, before the chap would give me any advice on how to fill the form in he said "The first thing I need to be sure of is whether you are fiscally resident or not" and he proceeded to ask me lots of questions. I was a bit thrown. I only went in to show him my form and say "have I put this figure in the right box?" and I came out feeling like I'd been given the third degree. But I guess the thing is that being tax resident gives you certain privileges regardless of whether or not you actually pay any tax - reduced taxe d'habitation being one. I would very much like to be considered to have been tax resident in France as from the start of this year! but I wasn't.
I really wish DejW's flippant comment about providing three years tax returns being sufficient to prove tax residency was true, because I could do that and it would save me the best part of 1000€... bring on Catch 22
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What documents did you submit for the 10 yr card. I have been filing each year so that when I apply next March for the 10 year card there are minimal bumps in the road. I thought it was a requirement. Have I been a goody-two-shoes for nothing?

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What documents did you submit for the 10 yr card. I have been filing each year so that when I apply next March for the 10 year card there are minimal bumps in the road. I thought it was a requirement. Have I been a goody-two-shoes for nothing?
I don't think Berkinet is talking about the Article 50 residence card. Could be wrong but I don't think he's a Brit? (he has a star spangled banner in his profile, plus Brits aren't currently being issued with residence cards) If your residence is based on having successfully applied for a visa, you have the right to spend as many or as few months in France as you choose (I think), whereas if it's based on correctly exercising freedom of movement as an EU citizen then as you say that requires you to be actually living here permanently.


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We just submitted the documents listed on the prefecture web site. In fact, I used the exact same set of documents I had used for the annual renewals. Note that the prefecture may ask you for tax documents at the time of your appointment. However, in spite of what some people generally believe, tax documents are not included as part of the default set of documents required for the application dossier.

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