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Greetings,

I'm a married EU citizen with 2 young kids living in Germany. I'm considering a move to Angers because of a job offer and I'd like to ask for your opinion on how feasible such a move would be.

Working in the IT sector in Germany means that I can cover all of our expenses and still have a significant amount left over to save and/or invest.

Unfortunately, sites like numbeo don't have enough data points for Angers yet, so I can't make a 1:1 comparison to a city like Berlin for example.

I'd greatly appreciate it if you could give me examples of what the costs for a family of 4 would be, e.g. rent, utilities, public transport tickets, groceries, school fees, etc.

Thank you in advance!

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Greetings,

I'm a married EU citizen with 2 young kids living in Germany. I'm considering a move to Angers because of a job offer and I'd like to ask for your opinion on how feasible such a move would be.

Working in the IT sector in Germany means that I can cover all of our expenses and still have a significant amount left over to save and/or invest.

Unfortunately, sites like numbeo don't have enough data points for Angers yet, so I can't make a 1:1 comparison to a city like Berlin for example.

I'd greatly appreciate it if you could give me examples of what the costs for a family of 4 would be, e.g. rent, utilities, public transport tickets, groceries, school fees, etc.

Thank you in advance!
Whilst numbeo is not particularly reliable or up to date, you could check their stats for a nearby town such as Tours.

For current rental costs, go to leboncoin.fr, seloger.com or a similar site.

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I don't live there but some things would be similar as I also have 2 kids at home so bills will be similar for a family of 4.

We pay:
€95 / month electricity (with Mint not EDF - was more),
€75 / month water
€24 month unlimited internet and calls to 100 different countries (count about another €10 if you want TV included)
€2 / person for mobiles (unlimited SMS / MMS and 2h calls / month). If want full broadband etc look at around €20 / month
€35 / month House insurance (safe country side so guess you'd pay more)

Car insurance about €250 / car / year but we are running old cars that don't mind DIY so just have basic (not fully comp) but does include break down cover

Food - how long is a piece of string! Obviously really depends. We spend around €150 a week (with wine) but I'm careful as we have to be so that is generally shopping at Lidl (and actually quality often better anyway - certainly miles cheaper than other stores!), can't afford to buy organic or anything like that, but I do make a lot of our food from scratch so doesn't include many ready made things. My kids are boys and eat like adults (and more in the teens case!) so do take that into account as well!

Schools - if you are putting them into the French system it is free. There are the odd international schools (but rare) that can be €10,000 or more / year. Catholic schools (which are about as close to what I consider a private school) are around €500 / year. If they need to board it is around €200 / month at most places I've seen. Canteen tickets cost around €3 / meal per child.

Rent - you'll have to look at the sites mentioned above to get an idea.

Public transport if you are lucky!!! Again check the website for Angers - they should have a link to thier transport system so you can get an idea.
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Whilst numbeo is not particularly reliable or up to date, you could check their stats for a nearby town such as Tours.
Tours seems to be in the same information black hole as Angers but there seems to be data for Nantes, also near Angers.

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Tours seems to be in the same information black hole as Angers but there seems to be data for Nantes, also near Angers.
Nantes is way bigger than Angers, in fact the population is double that of Angers and, whilst it may not be that far away, grocery etc prices could be very different. So numbeo may not be very useful at all.

I would much rather live in Angers than Nantes

Smeg lives in Tours and says he spends very little on groceries, but I guess you could check the catalogues for Lidl, including for Lidl stores in Angers (though by and large Lidl prices are nationally the same or similar) would give the OP an idea.

It would probably also be worthwhile to look through the Mairie's official site Angers.fr, Site officiel de la Ville d'Angers
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Listen folks, the only difference in the cost of living across most cities in France is your rental costs....if you are renting.

Nantes, Angers, Tours...pretty much the same in terms of 'living'. Food and all that stuff.

There is no big difference between Tours and Paris in terms of 'living'.

So yeah.

What was the question ?

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Listen folks, the only difference in the cost of living across most cities in France is your rental costs....if you are renting.

Nantes, Angers, Tours...pretty much the same in terms of 'living'. Food and all that stuff.

There is no big difference between Tours and Paris in terms of 'living'.

So yeah.

What was the question ?
I think though it depends where you shop and therefore the choice of places to shop. Oh, and what you buy of course. But that is the issue for the OP who in any case doesn't apparently know what those costs are here. Therefore to get an idea the OP could look at eg. Lidl prices (irrespective of location) or any other major supermarket chain. IIRC you yourself shop at Lidl.

Other cost of living difference can relate to local taxes and charges, locally run buses for public transport costs (they are definitely not the same across France).

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I moved from Germany to France a LONG time ago, but I do think it still applies that making direct comparisons about the "cost of living" is next to impossible.

Your basic living costs generally relate to things like rent and housing costs. You then have to consider what your situation is relative to the job you're considering. The situation with regard to social insurances will be significantly different - the split between employer/employee on things like health cover, retirement and other payroll items (called "cotisations" here in France) are the main ones. When I lived in Germany, just about all the payroll deductions were split 50-50. Here in France, you pay only a small portion of the health care cover for yourself (but there is the mutuelle to consider for family members), while you pay the larger portion of the retirement contribution.

Past that, your expenditures depend greatly on what you spend your household money on. Do you shop at local artisan shops, or at the grand surfaces? Buy lots of pre-prepared food or make your own? Insist on everything bio or from health food shops or is there a handy Lidl or Aldi's you prefer? You can see where I'm going with this.

I see you mention transport costs. That (obviously) depends on where you live in relationship to where you work and how inclined you are to use public transport to commute to and from work. If you do use public transport, your employer generally has to subsidize one-half of your monthly transit pass, which may or may not make a big difference in your budget. Family members pay their own way on public transport - but again, it depends on where you're living and how inclined they are to use public transport on a daily basis.
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Hi again!

First of all, thank you everybody for answering!

I got a lot of helpful information and I have now a rough idea of what to expect.

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roughly speaking and of course depending on the life style you lead (here I am talking about moderate style, not too fancy and not too strict) ..... with 2 kids, if you are offered something in the vicinity of 50k/year gross ... you will live fine but you will not do savings (probably you will save the expenses of the summer trip and pay for a car installment ...etc.) less than that it will be tight, more than that should be better...

Also there are some hidden good surprises that no one mentions here in France as part of the package because they all take it for granted but for me for example these came as additions, for example there are checque cadeaux near xmas, subsidized cheque vacances, several activities and discounts offered by the CE of the company especially if there are many employees (budget depends on the size of the company) also there are sometimes more money given with the salary based on your days off of the last year (I have not been able to understand this at all and I am not sure if it is specific to where I work or is it for everyone but at least the cheque cadeaux and vacances come from the CE I guess for everyone) ....

as the folks said, rent is a major factor of the spending so you should have a rough idea about what you will pay for rent (should not exceed 30% of your monthly salary) and sometimes prices vary between one part of the city to the other, can't help with Angers butyou have to look for the neighborhood you would like to stay in as it suggests which schools your kids would go to and the level of education might vary !
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