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Old 2nd July 2020, 12:16 PM
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Hi. I am an American citizen living on Jersey in the Channel Islands. Any idea if I am banned from France due to the USA not making the EU "Safe List"? I have been resident here since 2008. Thank you

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Hi. I am an American citizen living on Jersey in the Channel Islands. Any idea if I am banned from France due to the USA not making the EU "Safe List"? I have been resident here since 2008. Thank you
Wow now there is a question! Have you got anything to prove that you are a resident in Jersey? I imagine it would have to be based on residence rather than nationality otherwise there would be lots of Americans not allowed to be here! Although guessing Jersey isn't in the Shengen / EU zone? That is really tricky, I'd be interested to see what the others have to say!

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I thought the ban is on where you flew in from, rather than where you are a citizen of?
If you arrive on a flight originating from a country on the safe list, I don't think there is an issue.
Equally, the US travel ban is for anybody on a flight originating from the US, it's not restricted to US citizens. The virus doesn't check your passport...

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Wow now there is a question! Have you got anything to prove that you are a resident in Jersey? I imagine it would have to be based on residence rather than nationality otherwise there would be lots of Americans not allowed to be here! Although guessing Jersey isn't in the Shengen / EU zone? That is really tricky, I'd be interested to see what the others have to say!
Thank you. Jersey is considered part of the Common Travel Area of the UK/Ireland /Isle of Man, I think. Yes, I have Immigration and Work Permit stamps in my passport. I also have page after page of Jersey-St Malo stamps as I travel there often (or have up until now)

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I thought the ban is on where you flew in from, rather than where you are a citizen of?
If you arrive on a flight originating from a country on the safe list, I don't think there is an issue.
Equally, the US travel ban is for anybody on a flight originating from the US, it's not restricted to US citizens. The virus doesn't check your passport...
Thank you. This was my impression, and news accounts in the NY Times, France 24 and THeLocal.fr all said as much. I guess I'll find out!

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I thought the ban is on where you flew in from, rather than where you are a citizen of?
If you arrive on a flight originating from a country on the safe list, I don't think there is an issue.... ... The virus doesn't check your passport...
The virus may not check your passport, but the immigration authorities sure will. From my understanding (and I have looked fairly deeply into this), Americans, Brazilians and Russians who are residents of a Schengen country will be allowed admittance to any country in the block. On the other hand, non-resident citizens of those same countries arriving at a Schengen immigration point, regardless of the point of origin of their flight, will not be admitted. Though an onward transit (without actual entry into the Schengen zone) to another International destination would be permitted.

So, coming from Jersey with your noted documentation might be Ok. However, just to be safe, it would be best to carry some additional proof if you can: specifically, a residence permit (do they have such things on Jersey?) and things like utility bills, etc. If you don't have some specific documentation, perhaps an official letter from the local government attesting to your residence.

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The ban on entering the EU countries is based on your country of residence or if you have spent time in one of the "banned" countries in the last 14 days. You should be treated as a resident of Jersey - based on your having either Jersey nationality (?) or some sort of residence permit for Jersey.

Not sure, though, if Jersey and other Channel Islands are treated like the UK or if they are considered on their own merits.

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Hi. I am an American citizen living on Jersey in the Channel Islands. Any idea if I am banned from France due to the USA not making the EU "Safe List"? I have been resident here since 2008. Thank you
I would think that you'd be okay traveling to France, unless you took the little-known-and-lesser-used Saint Helier > Newark > CDG route. It seems to be about where you'd traveling from rather than your nationality.
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... It seems to be about where you'd traveling from rather than your nationality.
This is not how it works and it has been clearly stated.

If out worked as you suggest, all an American (resident & citizen) would have to do is fly via some non-Schengen country, like Canada, and they'd be Ok. That is why the rule is applied to nationality, not origin of flight.

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This is not how it works and it has been clearly stated.

If out worked as you suggest, all an American (resident & citizen) would have to do is fly via some non-Schengen country, like Canada, and they'd be Ok. That is why the rule is applied to nationality, not origin of flight.
Americans cannot travel to Canada.

Cross purposes, sir, as this American citizen in question is a resident of the Balliwick of Jersey.

According to the New York Times of 01 July:

"The rules are based on the country in which travelers are residents, so American citizens may be allowed to enter Europe if they are residents (and can provide proof of that residency) in one of the countries on the approved list."

So it would appear to be based on where you reside, rather than your nationality.

Unless, of course, Jersey is not on any approved list.

It might also be the case that if you are willing to fly from the US to the UK and self-quarantine for 14 days, you'd then be able to travel to France, with another 14 day self-quarantine. 28 days in quarantine with all of the expense and nonsense? It might be worth it to some.


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