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Here's an article from a blog I follow called Slate Star Codex regarding the effectiveness of face masks for the common folk. The author is a psychiatrist -- not psychologist -- and his articles are usually pretty well-researched, well-thought out, and informative. In this article he has researched the efficacy of wearing face masks. Not just surgical masks, but also the N95 respirator.

The article: Face Masks - Much More Than You Wanted to Know

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8. So should you wear a mask?

Please donít buy up masks while there is a shortage and healthcare workers donít have enough.

If the shortage ends, and wearing a mask is cost-free, I agree with the guidelines from China, Hong Kong, and Japan Ė consider wearing a mask in high-risk situations like subways or crowded buildings. Wearing masks will not make you invincible, and if you risk compensate even a little it might do more harm than good. Realistically you should be avoiding high-risk situations like subways and crowded buildings as much as you possibly can. But if you have to go in them, yes, most likely a mask will help.

In low-risk situations, like being at home or taking a walk, I mean sure, a mask might make you 0.0001% (or whatever) less likely to get infected. If thatís worth it to you, consider the possibility that you might be freaking out a little too much about this whole pandemic thing. If itís still worth it, go for it.

You are unlikely to be able to figure out how to use an N95 respirator correctly. Iím not saying itís impossible, if you try really hard, but assume youíre going to fail unless you have some reason to think otherwise. The most likely outcome is that you have an overpriced surgical mask that might make you incorrectly risk-compensate.

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Here's an article from a blog I follow called Slate Star Codex regarding the effectiveness of face masks for the common folk.
Yes, they are nigh-on a waste of time for us folk, and actually add to the threat if people are tempted to re-use them.

Soap & water, and keep your distance.

Not sure why there is talk of shortages of masks for front-line staff in France as Macron requisitioned them from all the producers 3/4 weeks ago.

I would image they have been churning them out 24/7 since then, like printing banknotes.

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...and actually add to the threat if people are tempted to re-use them.
That's something I've been wondering about...can they be re-used? And I didn't think they could.

Here in the 14ťme of Paris probably about 1/3 of the people out on the streets are wearing them, and I've been wondering if (a) they're reusing them, or (b) if there's some supply that no one knows about. Because I sure see a hell of a lot of them, and if they're not being reused...where are they all coming from?

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That's something I've been wondering about...can they be re-used? And I didn't think they could.

Here in the 14ťme of Paris probably about 1/3 of the people out on the streets are wearing them, and I've been wondering if (a) they're reusing them, or (b) if there's some supply that no one knows about. Because I sure see a hell of a lot of them, and if they're not being reused...where are they all coming from?
If people have a limited supply, then yes, they are going to be tempted to reuse them.

I had the same problem with my last few tea-bags last week (not wearing them eeking them out).

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As promised, I'm starting a thread on the topic of masks - and I may even move a few posts from other threads over here.

As noted by several folks now, there are people wearing masks to do their errands - though thus far I have only seen folks wearing what appear to be either the flat, simple masks (no idea what they are called) or what appear to be the dust masks they sell (or used to) in the hardware stores. I actually have one or maybe even two tucked away somewhere here left over from a project involving diatomaceous earth, which is one of those things you really don't want to inhale.
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I have an S10 and an MCU/2P along with a set of recently acquired filters. Going out in those would certainly set the neighbours talking, so I intend to stay in... Mostly.

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As promised, I'm starting a thread on the topic of masks - and I may even move a few posts from other threads over here.

As noted by several folks now, there are people wearing masks to do their errands - though thus far I have only seen folks wearing what appear to be either the flat, simple masks (no idea what they are called) or what appear to be the dust masks they sell (or used to) in the hardware stores. I actually have one or maybe even two tucked away somewhere here left over from a project involving diatomaceous earth, which is one of those things you really don't want to inhale.
Only two weeks ago xMadame assured me that "You will never see people in France wearing a mask".

Two weeks is a long time in CV Land.
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Please be aware that there is a huge shortage of the good masks -those required by first line health workers, carers, etc. in the majority of France. Last I hears the emergency doctors were saying there were sufficient in the őle-de-France, including in the epidemic zone, but if the wave hits there this week they will be in trouble. Reporters seen wearing them on TV were causing a huge outcry and I believe that has been stopped.

The other masks are useless, but using even home made masks and scarves does make people feel less anxious.

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Please be aware that there is a huge shortage of the good masks -those required by first line health workers, carers, etc. in the majority of France. Last I hears the emergency doctors were saying there were sufficient in the őle-de-France, including in the epidemic zone, but if the wave hits there this week they will be in trouble. Reporters seen wearing them on TV were causing a huge outcry and I believe that has been stopped.

The other masks are useless, but using even home made masks and scarves does make people feel less anxious.
Some were distributed, some are continuing to be distributed, not necessarily the most where they are most needed, not in most Ehpad either (generally speaking they have none), but these masks should only be used for a few hours, which is why you will sometimes see people slip them down (to extend their usability and because they find them uncomfortable to wear continuously).

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Some were distributed, some are continuing to be distributed, not necessarily the most where they are most needed, not in most Ehpad either (generally speaking they have none), but these masks should only be used for a few hours, which is why you will sometimes see people slip them down (to extend their usability and because they find them uncomfortable to wear continuously).
It's three weeks since Pres. Macron requisitioned all production, as well as current stocks.

I'm not sure how many factories produce them, and I realise lots are being used, but you would think the production lines running 24/7 would keep pace with demand.

I wonder if the problem is in the distribution?

If you're unaccustomed to wearing them, then you tend to be trying to adjust them all the time, thereby putting your hands on your face.

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