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Old 16th February 2020, 07:06 PM
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Evening all!!

I don't think I've ever felt compelled to be on a forum so, please forgive me for any breaks in etiquette etc!!
Simply put, myself and my partner are trying to decipher some direction into moving to France from the UK. This isn't a spur of the moment decision, this is considered. Both of us are successful in our respective jobs (Jessica is a head veterinary nurse at a reputable referral clinic and I am self-employed as a Manual therapist of equine osteopath-largely treating racehorses at several of the uk's top nh yards). Our respective incomes are 28k and 70K, coupled with a healthy deposit of 160k for a property one day. having just sold our house and renting again. Despite being very busy work-wise, we have always considered this move, not purely on the basis of holiday experiences but also on the back of my experience living and working there for 6 months, ten years ago. We are well aware of the rose-tinted glasses trap but our decision is based on life style and culture- we aren't materialistic people, with a much heavier emphasis on being social, involved in community and also self-sustainable.
In the past we have always embraced the language and culture there and, currently, the plan is for me to go over in a month or two to do some work, hopefully, via a couple of contacts in the equine industry. The pressure is obviously upon us, following the mindless brexit vote and so, we suppose, renting is the smart option to begin with. I must stress we are both realists with this decision and would really appreciate any advice on direction regarding the bureaucratic side of things especially. All thoughts and opinions welcome.

Many thanks for taking the time to read my thread.

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Piers Willmott

(Ps. I am about 70% there for speaking French and Jess is currently taking lessons)
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Welcome to the forum.

At least until the end of this year, you're still entitled to move to France as EU citizens, though at the moment there is still some uncertainty about what happens after the end of the year - depending on what kind of transitional deals are or aren't made.

Key things will be establishing your carte de séjour (i.e. residence permit) once you arrive. (For Brits, things are more or less on hold until July.) Your other key concern will no doubt be getting your professional qualifications recognized or validated here in France. The human medical professions can be tricky to transfer. Not sure the status of the veterinary professions and qualifications.

You may want to refer to the europa.eu website, which has information on working in the EU, including how to get professional qualifications recognized: https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizen...s/index_en.htm

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I would suggest that if you have an opportunity for work somewhere in France, that is where you should head in the first instance, so your plan would seem to be a good one. And yes, definitely rent until you are actually established somewhere.

Good luck!

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And, of course, definitely work on building up your contacts within the equine industry.


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Thanks folks, impressive reply service-i was going to bed!! Fully heeding your advice. My course was a French run one, held in Brighton for 3 years so I'm hoping there's some recogignition there-there should be, but I also know how hot they are on the beurocracy. I wasn't aware of the link provided so thank you, I'll look into that. It's an unnerving time for us at present as all is sold and we're considering our future in a country that's dissociating from the eu. There's obviously a lot of juggling on the horizon, by the looks of it!!

Good bye for now and thanks once again

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Hello...welcome to our forum.

I'm no expert on your specific questions, but I have been here for 20 years and have seem many expats come and go.

You haven't mentioned your age, so the question of retirement may enter the debate.

In my opinion you need to be clear on a number of important aspects. Others in this forum can help with the details.

1. Why France? Is it to work in a better environment, or to live, or to retire? What will you have in France that you could not get by rearranging your life, work, money in the UK. From your original post I tnink you may already have thought this through...but you need the clarity of thought.

2. You need to get the question of residency, health care etc sorted out. The rules post Brexit seem very fluid, despite politicians' promises.

3. Your idea of a trial period seems excellent. Try for a 1 year contract of work in France, rent a house, don't burn your boats in the UK, and try it.

4. As we always say, a decent level of French is necessary to enjoy France, even more so if working.

Go on...go for it...I'm sure you will not regret it.....DejW
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Thanks for your post, DjW, and apologies for my belated reply- I'm working like an idiot here 🏻.
In response to your questions, I'm 41 and Jess 39. We have no kids yet and our primary reason for moving is lifestyle. Work is becoming busier and busier here, with travel getting harder and harder. Time is a very underrated commodity for which we find ourselves having none. All of this appears to be for a potentially large mortgage and therefore a contract to work in the same vein for the rest of our lives like mad men. What's more, should we have gone for social events, others don't for the same reason.... It's mad. There's more to life than this, no matter how successful business is.
My French is pretty good but needs to get better and we're people that donate to a community not shrink away and distance ourselves. We're also not very materialistic at all, fixing cars/machines ourselves, growing vegetables etc- we spend money on food and experience rather than new electronics/consumables etc. I see this more self-sustainable mode of life more akin to France than I do rural Britain, where prices are astronomical and getting worse. Finally, should we have children I want them to live in a society where people still acknowledge each other and pull together.... I see this is being eroded in the UK, and I live in rural Somerset!!

Many thanks for your advice

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You'll get lots of opinions here and elsewhere on "lifestyle" choices. It's perfectly possible to get caught up in a consumerist lifestyle in France or probably anywhere else on earth. It may also depend on precisely where in France you wind up.

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I see this more self-sustainable mode of life more akin to France than I do rural Britain, where prices are astronomical and getting worse. Finally, should we have children I want them to live in a society where people still acknowledge each other and pull together....
Just be careful not to idealize France. You need to be ready and willing to work with what you find here to make things turn out the way you are hoping for. For some, France is more "self-sustainable" due to a more generous social safety net and, quite frankly, greater expectations regarding what the government "should" do for individuals. (And it will take a bit of time before you're included in parts of that social safety net system.)

Should you have children eventually, you may find that the attitudes toward kids and toward the role of the schools in the whole societal structure is very different from what you are probably used to. But that is all stuff you'll come to find out for yourselves.

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...Finally, should we have children I want them to live in a society where people still acknowledge each other and pull together.... ...
That is the way things were and to a large extent, still are in France. However, be forewarned, the me generation, winning-is everything, I'm ok and you worry about you, etc. world is slowly, but seemingly steadily, creeping its way into France.

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our primary reason for moving is lifestyle. Work is becoming busier and busier here, with travel getting harder and harder. Time is a very underrated commodity for which we find ourselves having none.
I'm a bit hesitant to chip in because you're mature and obviously intelligent people and on the face of it you sound very sure about the move and what do I know that you don't, but then why would you be asking for direction.

So at the risk of sounding trite I will just say, beware of thinking that when you buy a house in France it comes with a ready-made lifestyle attached.
I take your point that the reason why at present you find you need to work hard in the UK is to pay a large mortgage - but, having a large mortgage in the first place, is in itself a lifestyle choice.
I know people living in the UK who have the most relaxed lifestyle imaginable, living very much as you plan to live in France. It didn't happen by accident, they made the decision and put their minds to it and achieved it. And on the other hand, I know people living in France (many more of them) who work very long hours and don't appear to earn more than they need. If life was such a breeze in France for most people, why did the gilets jaunes have so much public support...

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