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I am Szilvia and I live here with my 14 year old daughter since August 2015 - soon to be 5 years. I am Hungarian and I am working in France. I would like to get the French nationality for my daughter because she has been selected to move forward from the Pole Espoir to the Pole France National Volley Ball team (Equipe de France). The coaches asked us to start the process for French nationality which is a requirement for the national team. Could you please advise me where to begin and what options I have for meeting this goal.
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I am Szilvia and I live here with my 14 year old daughter since August 2015 - soon to be 5 years. I am Hungarian and I am working in France. I would like to get the French nationality for my daughter because she has been selected to move forward from the Pole Espoir to the Pole France National Volley Ball team (Equipe de France). The coaches asked us to start the process for French nationality which is a requirement for the national team. Could you please advise me where to begin and what options I have for meeting this goal.
Thank you for your help!

Szilvia
Hi Szilvia

Firstly, congratulations to your daughter on being selected to move forward to th Pole France National Volley Ball team - that is a great achievement.

What you need to do is to apply for naturalisation as soon as you have been in France for 5 years. You include your daughter in your application.

Here is the service public site on naturalisation and the requirements https://www.service-public.fr/partic...roits/N111#1_0 and here is the form https://www.service-public.fr/partic...sdroits/R16995

You should have a good look through both the information on naturalisation and the form so that you can start getting the supporting documentation together. You should also start familiarising yourself with the livret du citoyen which you can download here https://www.immigration.interieur.go...ret-du-citoyen

BTW you will need to submit an approved certificate to certify B1 level in oral French (oral and written French if you apply after April). If you don't have a certificate, you should look into what you need to do to obtain one and book in for a test, bearing in mind that you will need to check the relevant calendar/s for the tests.

Good luck!
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Dear EverHopeful,
thank you very much for your help and the liks you attached.
I will check them carefully.
Actually it would be good to know some practical information: do I have better chance if we are married with my French boyfirend (we have a house together and living together but not married, yet. ).
There is an other fact, much more sensitive, I had a French babyboy 3 and half years ago, who was born and died during his birth...I never thought that the most horrible and sad time in my life can help me anytime, but the question appeared: does it count that Eszter, my daughter once had a French brother?
Really sorry to disturb you with such an intimate details...but I am interested what do you think of it?
Have good night,
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If you had been married to your French boyfriend for 4 years you could apply for nationality - however the process takes a year or so. If your daughter is looking at the 2020 Olympics, it's simply too late.

For the 2024 Olympics you can start the process once you have 5 years of residence here in France, so I guess next year. Your application won't be accepted until you have that 5 years of residence. You'll need to show a B1 level of French and to show proof of your integration here - that you have paid your taxes and been covered by the sécu and such. It can take a while to collect all the necessary documents, so you can certainly begin that process now.
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Dear Bevdeforges,
thank you very much for your answer.
Yes, it will be 5 year this August, that we are living in France, working and paying taxes, etc. We are integrated, surely.
The "Equipe de France" is interested in my daughter, and she is invited to the trainings this year. They told us to try to get the nationality till the beginning of 2021. She can't play the matches and go towards the Pole France (where they want to train her for 2024) without being French...
I will start the process as soon as I get the rigth for it, being here for 5 years, so in August this year.
I am just wondering what can count in the decision of the authorites, maybe a marrige, maybe a lost son, who was French...I do not know.
Do you have any experiences or knowledge about the practical details which can count in such a decision? Or do you know any associasion, a service or a social worker who can help me think over how to apply? What to attach to my story?
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I took French nationality 12 or 13 years ago - through marriage. But for marriage to a French person to "count" you need to have been married for 4 or 5 years already. Marrying your French partner now won't do you any good for a few years yet. And there is the chance that if you apply when newly married, they may suggest you come back when you're eligible to apply for nationality by marriage. It is a somewhat easier route - but it still takes a good year for processing once your dossier has been accepted for treatment. There may also be a backlog of applications in your departement, thanks to all the uncertainty regarding Brexit - depends on the British population in the area - or maybe not.

And the only allowance I know of for being the mother of a French child is if your presence in France is for caring for the child, which isn't the case here.

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Honestly, they aren't particularly interested in "your story." Take a look at the requirements as posted. They will need documents for both your children, certainly. But they don't actually ask "why" you want French nationality.

And be careful with the information about your daughter and the team. If they suspect that you're only applying in order to get your daughter into the training program, they could make things difficult for you. (It could help your case, too. But you simply never know and you really don't want to give the impression that it's the main or only reason you are applying for nationality.)

Evidence of "integration" consists of your certificate of language skills (that you can take care of now by arranging to take the appropriate test), past pay slips or other evidence of your having paid taxes and cotisations, and proof of residence (utility bills or similar in your name) and of your duration of residence.

I would also be wary of engaging "professional help" with your nationality application. I had significant immigration problems when I first arrived here, and learned (the hard way) that turning to a lawyer can be seen in a bad light if you're not careful. The nationality process is fairly straight forward, but it takes as long as it takes. If you appear to have "lawyered up" without any need it can interfere with your application.

Certainly, you can ask an expat association or even the people at the local mairie for help, but no one can "guarantee" you a successful outcome other than yourself. And this is France - no one can really speed up an administrative process for you without drawing all sorts of suspicion.

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Szylvia,

Firstly, I am sorry to hear that you lost your son at birth - losing a child is always traumatic and it seems to me that you never completely get over it and it is a loss you feel for the rest of your life.

If you take a look at the form, you will see that you will be required to enter the details of your son (French birth certificate will not only indicate that he is French and the name of his father, but will also be updated with the date of his death).

As Bev indicates, marrying your partner now will not enable you to apply for French nationality any earlier, but it could perhaps/possibly influence in some way the administration's view of your attachment to France. Even if you marry whilst your application is in process, you are required to notify them (again, this is indicated on the application form).

I am not sure whether you are saying that your daughter needs to actually have French nationality by the beginning of next year, or that you need to make the application before the beginning of next year. If the former, I suggest you tell the coaches that you are not eligible to submit the application before August, but that you are in the process of getting all the documentation etc together so that you can submit it as soon as you are eligible. I think they would have a good idea how long the process currently takes and there is always a chance that they might intervene at some point after you have submitted in order to try to speed up the processing should they see fit - they would be far more aware of, and indeed experienced in, how to do these things in accordance with the protocols.

Do take a good look at all of the links I have provided, work your way through the main page by clicking on PERSONNALISER and also take a look at the various links that are provided as you work your way through it - there is actually quite a lot of detail to take on board and you will have a lot to do over the next few months.

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I think you can apply for French nationality for your daughter straight away if she is likely to be selected for the Equipe de France.
There are exceptions to the 5 year rule if:
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You can make enquiries on this page.

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Szilvia, make sure to explain that it is your daughter who is a minor who has been accepted for the Pôle.

Lydi, thanks for finding that, I was aware there were exceptions but hadn't found the page.
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It's so nice from you all to help me, it gives me such a lot of hope.

Thank you very much.

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