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I'm new here. English, been in France since 94. My live-in Nigerian GF and I are thinking of getting PACsed.

One of the first things I did on arriving here in 94 was to get my birth certificate translated by a 'traducteur assermenté'. But it now looks as if I'm required to get a new, certified copy of my BC and a new certified translation of it ("l'extrait d’acte de naissance avec indication de la filiation (ou la copie intégrale d’acte de naissance) de moins de 6 mois + traduction assermentée").

I can't for the life of me see why this is necessary. Has anybody here got PACsed and managed to do it without forking out for new copies and translations?

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Hello all

I'm new here. English, been in France since 94. My live-in Nigerian GF and I are thinking of getting PACsed.

One of the first things I did on arriving here in 94 was to get my birth certificate translated by a 'traducteur assermenté'. But it now looks as if I'm required to get a new, certified copy of my BC and a new certified translation of it ("l'extrait d’acte de naissance avec indication de la filiation (ou la copie intégrale d’acte de naissance) de moins de 6 mois + traduction assermentée").

I can't for the life of me see why this is necessary. Has anybody here got PACsed and managed to do it without forking out for new copies and translations?
Short answer is that it is necessary to get the updated birth certificate and possibly translations, and there is no point in arguing about it. For your birth certificate, there is a valid argument that you don't require a translation, but again if they say you need one, it's probably easier to just pay for it - it is only one page after all.

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Ah, welcome to France! (OK, that's a facetious comment..)

France requires a "recent" copy of your birth certificate - meaning a "certified" copy (from the registration agency in your home country) that is dated within the last 3 months. (Sometimes 6 months if you were born someplace like Australia, that is really far away.) The requirement is largely because here in France, your birth record is updated for life events like marriage, divorce and your death. Although I'm not aware of too many other countries that update your birth records like that, it does seem to be the reason why the requirement.

There's no way around it - though it is handy to note that, if you take French nationality, you create a "French birth certificate" that is kept filed in Nantes (and copies are available for free!) that has all that good information on it and that you will use forever more for your "birth certificate" (at least here in France).

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Ah, welcome to France! (OK, that's a facetious comment..)

France requires a "recent" copy of your birth certificate - meaning a "certified" copy (from the registration agency in your home country) that is dated within the last 3 months. (Sometimes 6 months if you were born someplace like Australia, that is really far away.) The requirement is largely because here in France, your birth record is updated for life events like marriage, divorce and your death. Although I'm not aware of too many other countries that update your birth records like that, it does seem to be the reason why the requirement.

There's no way around it - though it is handy to note that, if you take French nationality, you create a "French birth certificate" that is kept filed in Nantes (and copies are available for free!) that has all that good information on it and that you will use forever more for your "birth certificate" (at least here in France).
And that is the other point, French birth certificates are issued free and the cost of obtaining an overseas birth certificate is entirely in the hands of individual countries.

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And that is the other point, French birth certificates are issued free and the cost of obtaining an overseas birth certificate is entirely in the hands of individual countries.
I recently went through an administrative procedure where I was expected to present a copy of my "marriage certificate" from the US. Guess what - the state in which I was married doesn't issue marriage certificates (largely because they don't maintain them at the state level). It is possible to get a document regarding the marriage if you show up in person at the county court house where the marriage took place. Um, not possible!

Fortunately, this was something at the US Consulate so they kind of bought my explanation - and anyhow, the dates and relevant facts of that marriage are documented on my French birth certificate anyhow.

Not sure how I got around that one back when I was taking French nationality - but evidently I managed.

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OK thanks for those replies. I guess I'm just going to have to bite the bullet - I have learnt over many years and countless hours in various govt offices that there is never any point in arguing with the dreaded 'administration française'!
Which is partly why I'm applying for Irish citizenship - as a safeguard in case Brexit turns nasty - and not French.

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OK thanks for those replies. I guess I'm just going to have to bite the bullet - I have learnt over many years and countless hours in various govt offices that there is never any point in arguing with the dreaded 'administration française'!
Which is partly why I'm applying for Irish citizenship - as a safeguard in case Brexit turns nasty - and not French.
You of course do what you want, but I think that statement says far more about you than the French administration. Though in any case it is likely too late now for you to have an application for French citizenship approved in time for Brexit possibly turning nasty, and the ROI has a very streamlined process for certain applicants. It is however a little surprising that you waited so long to go that route.

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I know several people who have "activated" their Irish citizenship - known popularly as "the Irish grandmother option."

Just be glad that you're in France and not in Germany, where you can't take nationality until after you produce proof that you have renounced your prior "allegiances." The issue of taking or renouncing nationalities seems to be a rather sensitive one for many folks.

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I just checked the service public site, and if you were born in an EU country, you can request un acte plurilingue, obviating the need for a translation. https://www.service-public.fr/partic...osdroits/F1618

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I'm in the process of obtaining copy UK certificates and ordered the versions which incorporate a French translation. They cost £22 instead of the standard £11. It's an additional £3 if you dont have the GRO index reference no, so £25.

It probably saves on the cost and certainly saves on the hasle.

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