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We have been offered a homewshare agreement on a property in France.Landlord says it is to minimise his tax obligations.Is this ok if we are both happy Landlord is English. Is it illegal to pay rent in cash in France? This property suits our needs and is well priced. We will be on a LTV from Australia and wish to settle in France.
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Just to be clear: this is a genuine homeshare, ie you will be sharing the apartment with your landlord (shared kitchen/bathroom/living areas)?

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I suspect it will depend on the terms of the "homeshare agreement." Will you receive a proper receipt for the rent? What are the terms and conditions of this agreement/lease? And think ahead to those circumstances where you will be asked to provide proof of residence - will you be able to provide appropriate paperwork for that? (normally utility bills in your name, rent receipts, etc.)

Who will pay the taxe fonciere and/or taxe d'hab? Make sure you get answers to all your questions before you proceed.

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thanks Bev i will ask the questions

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the rental is attached to main house beside it

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....Landlord says it is to minimise his tax obligations.Is this ok if we are both happy Landlord is English. Is it illegal to pay rent in cash in France?...
Without the specifics of the rental offer, I would say it looks like the landlord wants to minimise his tax obligations by not reporting his income. If that is the case, he is very unlikely to provide you with any of the normal, legal, paperwork you are likely to want to have at some point.

BTW, has the landlord mentioned renter's insurance? If they are not requiring you to show proof of a renter's policy, this may indeed be a fishy arrangement.
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Without the specifics of the rental offer, I would say it looks like the landlord wants to minimise his tax obligations by not reporting his income. If that is the case, he is very unlikely to provide you with any of the normal, legal, paperwork you are likely to want to have at some point.

BTW, has the landlord mentioned renter's insurance? If they are not requiring you to show proof of a renter's policy, this may indeed be a fishy arrangement.
I'm afraid I tend to agree with Berkinet.
If you are renting an independent unit it sounds suspiciously like a normal rental, to which the normal rules would apply. If it was as simple as, call a rental agreement a houseshare agreement and pay less/ no tax, all French landlords would be doing it wouldn't they. I don't like to cast nasturtiums at my fellow countrymen but us Brits are a bit prone to thinking we've spotted a clever wheeze that nobody else has ever thought of. Unfortunately it often turns out that ignorance was bliss, and the reason they thought it was OK was because they hadn't understood the rules they were breaking.
It may be that there is something specific about this rental that makes it possible to apply different rules, so don't instantly rule it out, but I think you should get to the bottom of it before you go ahead.
If, when you explain to the landlord that you will need to give copies your rental contract to various authorities, he suddenly becomes less keen on renting to you, you'll have your answer.

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Without the specifics of the rental offer, I would say it looks like the landlord wants to minimise his tax obligations by not reporting his income.


Yes....Stay clear OP.

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If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck (and there is an alternative "If it looks like sh*t etc you don't actually have to eat it". Your instincts are right buckjump - steer clear. And I don't think for one moment that this fits 'hébergement chez l'habitant'.

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It is dodgy If the fisc get wind of it you could be in trouble too I notice that you are on a Visa from Australia You will need documentation to show where you are residing and if you want to stay then you will need to show where you are living The same applies to healthcare tax submissions etc
There are two ways to spot a dodgy Brit -he drives a UK reg vehicle and has all these cunning plans to avoid paying tax You need to steer clear if you want to stay
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