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I am Italian, have lived in France since 2014 but fiscally since 2016. In December of 2016 I was “embauché” as a director of a French company with a very good salary. I soon after received my social security number and then, a carte vitale issued May 2017.

In the interim… in early 2017 I applied for a Carte de Séjour UE which the Préfecture de Paris gave me for 5 years. I know it was unnecessary but my ID card from Italy is paper…

In May of 2018 my company closed its French operations and I was given a “licenciement économique” which gave me the opportunity to participate in the CSP program from Pôle Emploi for cadres that lose their job because of economic firing. That gave me a status of “stagiare” for one year and 75% of my income for 12 months. In May of this year, when it ended I was then changed to a régime général where I received 57% percent of my prior income until December. I was, and still am, enrolled as a “demandeur d’emploi” but my “allocations” have finished.

Finding a senior executive role hasn't been super easy. There aren't a ton of them and I have been working through my university networks here in Paris with some success though I have to admit it's been stressful. I do expect to find something in the next 6 months.

So here are my questions-

What does this mean for my right to health insurance? Until when will it be valid?

And my right to be in France in general?

Thanks immensely.

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I am Italian, have lived in France since 2014 but fiscally since 2016. In December of 2016 I was “embauché” as a director of a French company with a very good salary. I soon after received my social security number and then, a carte vitale issued May 2017.

In the interim… in early 2017 I applied for a Carte de Séjour UE which the Préfecture de Paris gave me for 5 years. I know it was unnecessary but my ID card from Italy is paper…

In May of 2018 my company closed its French operations and I was given a “licenciement économique” which gave me the opportunity to participate in the CSP program from Pôle Emploi for cadres that lose their job because of economic firing. That gave me a status of “stagiare” for one year and 75% of my income for 12 months. In May of this year, when it ended I was then changed to a régime général where I received 57% percent of my prior income until December. I was, and still am, enrolled as a “demandeur d’emploi” but my “allocations” have finished.

Finding a senior executive role hasn't been super easy. There aren't a ton of them and I have been working through my university networks here in Paris with some success though I have to admit it's been stressful. I do expect to find something in the next 6 months.

So here are my questions-

What does this mean for my right to health insurance? Until when will it be valid?

And my right to be in France in general?

Thanks immensely.
I'm sorry to hear that you have found yourself in this situation, which is indeed stressful and I do not envy your situation

Let's start with your right to remain in France, because in reality your health cover depends on that.

If you can prove that you have been legally resident in France for 5 years (which is not clear since you say that you have been fiscally resident since 2016), you arguably have the right to remain. But 5 years from 2016 potentially means (and I suspect that it does indeed mean), that you do not have 5 years residence and won't reach that point until 2021. Nonetheless, if you have sufficient means to continue to support yourself, then I believe you would be allowed to continue to remain in France and be covered by the French health system. If you can pick up some other work pending finding a position you consider appropriate to your skills and experience, that would certainly strengthen your case. I shall assume that at this point you still have sufficient funds.

There maybe an opportunity for you to apply for the RSA, though it doesn't amount to very much and I think it is means tested in some way.

Sorry I can't be more helpful, but perhaps someone who is better informed will be along shortly.

Good luck.

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Hi there.
Thanks :-)
Fortunately I'm OK financially for now. I can support myself for another few years (let us NOT have that happen on savings)
Here was my assumption- let me know if this makes sense or not.
First date of hire, Dec 2016. Bring it back 6 months to June 2016 for the "you are allowed 6 months to look for a job".
According to that logic, until June 2021 I cannot request settled status, so 18 months from now.
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There is some information on Améli (the health insurance site) regarding your rights while on chomage (and I expect something about what happens once your benefits have ended). I'm just on my way out to an appointment or I'd look it up for you, but I do recall making great use of the information on the Améli site when I was drawing unemployment.

The fact of your being an EU national means that your right to remain in France shouldn't be challenged and you, of course, have the right to work as long as you can find a job.

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If you print off a healthcare attestation from your online account with your caisse, it will normally tell you when your current rights are valid to.

"Bring it back 6 months to June 2016 for the "you are allowed 6 months to look for a job"" - sorry but I wouldn't put too many eggs in this particular basket. As I understand it, the point there is that for up to 6 months, subject to certain conditions, you are covered by the social security system of the country you have left. Can you show that Italy was covering your healthcare for 6 months as a jobseeker, and if not, how was your healthcare in France covered? If it wasn't, probably best not to mention that you were here. (In fact, did you mention it when you applied for your CdS in 2017? If on that application you gave your date of arrival In France as the date you got hired and that's the date that's recorded on the system, and on your next application you put a different date, it might look a tad odd.)

My personal advice would be, don't stress about things you don't need to stress about Why are you worrying about your CdS now, when you have until 2022 to get your ducks in a row? Enjoy living in your chosen country and focus on finding a job. If you don't qualify for the 10 year cds when your current 5-year CdS expires in 2022, you'll qualify for another 5 year one as long as you have a job at that point. I know how draining and stressful jobseeking can be and it seems a shame to add to the stress by worrying over a piece of card you don't need. You have an EU passport and a valid French CdS, as Bev says nobody is going to question your right to be in France. But, if qualifying for a CdS is important to you, you might consider compromising on your career expectations and lowering your sights a little.
What was the stage you went on with Pôle Emploi, was it useful?

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Back from my appointment and - voilà, I found it: https://www.ameli.fr/essonne/assure/...oi/sans-emploi

And as EuroTrash says, you may want to look into something like Interimaire work - through an agency like Robert Half or other "executive temporary" service. Even if the position isn't quite at your level, it will get you a bit of eligibility (for both chomage and for the health services) and keep your skills "current." Or at least get your name and resume out in front of a few more companies.

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