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Old 8th November 2019, 04:25 PM
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And I have one too.

As background I moved to France nearly 6 years ago (first quarter of 2014) on a transfer by my employer. My first titre de séjour (a carte bleue européenne) was for 3 years. At around the 3-year mark, my employer and I decided to part ways, and I paid an attorney to deal with the paperwork leading to a renewal of my wife's and my titre de séjour. It was the same type, good for 3 years.

Now I'm coming up on the 6-year mark and have to renew once again. This time I'm doing it on my own. I have two main questions, a simple, possibly stupid one; and a more complicated one.

Let's dispense with the simple first: I've obtained the Formulaire de Demande de Titre de Séjour from the local prefecture. On it I provide my spouse's name, along with other information. Do I fill out two forms, one with me as the "demandeur" and my wife as spouse, and the other with my wife as the "demandeur" and me as spouse? Or, will one form suffice?

The second question has to do with employment. My current titre de séjour, of course, allows me to work. And I do a little long-distance consulting work for a longtime client of mine in the U.S. The client is in the U.S., the project site is in the U.S., and my fee is paid to a U.S. bank account in $USD.

The small income I get from that work is reported to both the IRS on my personal income tax form and to the French tax authorities on my French tax statement, but our income primarily is from 401(k) withdrawals (for non-Americans, the odd name comes from the section of the American tax code authorizing this particular form of self-directed tax-advantaged retirement account).

How would I describe this in the "Situation Professionnelle" section of the form? I'm leaning toward: Semi-retired with part time, independent consulting income from a client in the United States.

Any thoughts on whether that would fly or be too confusing? Another option would be: Self-employed part time with independent consulting income from a client in the United States.

Either is correct, but perhaps one would fit more comfortably into the boxes a French bureaucrat would have in his or her mind.

Or, would you guys suggest another route?

One last thing: I would like to retain the right to work for myself and my wife, partly because my wife may want a part time job at some point, if only for independent work as an English tutor.

If it matters, we're in our early 60s and have sufficient savings (and, when we elect to start drawing them, pensions including Social Security) to both live comfortably in France and to demonstrate sufficient resources, should that become necessary.

Thanks in advance for your responses.

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First question really IS easy - you need to fill out two forms, one for each of you assuming you both want cartes de séjour. They do very little here on a "joint" basis - except, I guess, tax declarations. <g>

Second question - you may want to ask someone at the préfecture on this. Retirees (with a French pension at least) are allowed to work on the side. But it may come down to just how much you're taking in from your side gig (and whether you really "ought" to register it as a micro-entreprise or not). The rules on that all seem to keep changing.

If the prefecture is going to ask you to sign an attestation that you won't work, then you've got to decide what you want to do. If, on the other hand, they're ready to give you a multi-year card or a 10 year card, you could be home free.

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What kind of TDS/CDS are you actually intending to apply for Aloysius?

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Thanks, Bev.

At this point, I was assuming we would just look for a renewal of our existing card with the same terms (3 years, right to work in the EU).

If we could get a 10-year card with the same basic benefits, that would be better still. But I haven't pursued that route because my understanding is that, since we are younger than 65, we would have to present evidence of an A2 level of competence in French. I'm confident I could do that, but my wife has test anxiety and tends not to do well under pressure, so it's pretty likely she would not pass such a test and could not present the credential.

And that would present us with an unpalatable situation: that they grant mine but decline hers, which -- as I understand it -- would give us a very short window to cancel our lease, sell our possessions, and leave France, when we were planning to stay here.

At least the renewal of the existing card poses less of a risk of falling off a cliff, so to speak.

But maybe I misunderstand things?

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The same as I currently have: a 3 year carte bleue européenne

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Oh, OK, I thought you might be going for the Carte de résident de longue durée-UE (étranger en France depuis 5 ans). I think though you should check with your Prefecture - as I understand it, if you have the Passeport Talent Carte Bleue Européenne your spouse is entitled to stay, and I suspect that also applies to the Carte de résident de longue durée-UE, meaning that she would not have to take the French test. I believe you need to include your wife's details on your application, but that you also need to submit an application for her at the same time - again the Prefecture can answer your questions.

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