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And do not forget before a vehicle can be registered in any ones name they have to have a valid driving licence and insurance which knocks the "clever wheeze" of registering it to a minor on the head
There is also another problem that no one has mentioned the vehicle is UK registered It cannot be registered in the name of a French resident with the DVLA Therefore it cannot be re registered in the friends name in France because the name on the V5 will be the OPs Therefore not doable
Why not just drive it over when required?


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Why not just drive it over when required?
After all, it’s about the journey not just the destination!

I know that sounds twee but I find it to be true in terms of travelling. I drive down from London to a villa in the Pyrénées-Orientales region, 5 minutes drive from the Spanish border and we make a road trip of the drive. If I went for it I could drive overnight and be there the next day but we choose to take 2 nights (hotel stops, not sleeping in the car) and enjoy it. We stop in Millau the second night (although going to mix it up and stay in Clermont Ferrand next time) and enjoy going to a restaurant that has spectacular views. It’s a nice way to see other parts that would not be your final destination choice.
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There is also another problem that no one has mentioned the vehicle is UK registered It cannot be registered in the name of a French resident with the DVLA Therefore it cannot be re registered in the friends name in France because the name on the V5 will be the OPs Therefore not doable
Sorry but that's complete uninformed nonsense.

I'm forced to wonder if you've ever actually imported and registered a car because with comments like that it sounds very much like not!

Firstly nobody has mentioned DVLA for the very simple reason that in terms of registering a UK car in France it's absolutely nothing to do with them and they have zero involvement in the process.

Also despite what it tells you on the V5 you don't need to tell them that you're exporting a vehicle and informing them via the tear off section only gives notice of intent to export, it does not prove it has been.

After the change to French registration has been completed the French will (eventually) send the surrendered V5 to DVLA in order for them to update their records and it's at that juncture that the the vehicles status will be flagged as 'exported' - although I have to say that from my own experience of importing about a dozen cars that the change of status seems to happen on a somewhat haphazard basis.



Secondly a V5 does not need to be in the name of the person importing or registering a car in France and never has, a sales invoice if from a dealer, or hand written receipt if bought privately, is perfectly acceptable for the quitus fiscale.

Once the quittus fiscale has been issued however only the person named on it can go forward and register the car, this is because it's illegal for a French resident to sell a foreign registered car.

If you were to just pause and think about it properly if what you wrote were true and it were necessary to have a V5 in your name then it would mean that no non UK resident could ever import a car to France!

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And do not forget before a vehicle can be registered in any ones name they have to have a valid driving licence and insurance which knocks the "clever wheeze" of registering it to a minor on the head
On those two points I'd stopped importing cars before the farce termed ANTS came along so never did it under that regime however I can tell you prior to that I do not recall having to provide proof of insurance or a driving licence when registering.

Since technically a French resident is not permitted to drive a foreign registered car it begs the question of why proof of insurance would be demanded?

As regards a driving licence even if it is no longer possible to register a car to a minor (and we still don't know that it isn't) pre ANTS at least it was most certainly possible to register it to say a spouse who didn't have one.

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All I will say is that the above poster continually gives incorrect info in his postings which is bad news for newbies trying to settle in France

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On those two points I'd stopped importing cars before the farce termed ANTS came along so never did it under that regime however I can tell you prior to that I do not recall having to provide proof of insurance or a driving licence when registering.
I registered to French purchased vehicles before ANTS and was required to produce proof of insurance in order to do so. That was however not more than 6 years ago and perhaps it is (very?) much longer ago that you did so.

You currently need to produced proof of insurance to register a vehicle:

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Justificatifs administratifs
une pièce d’identité en cours de validité,
un justificatif de domicile de moins de six mois,
la demande de certificat d’immatriculation (cerfa 13750),
la déclaration de cession (cerfa 15776), à remplir conjointement par l'ancien propriétaire ou une facture établie par le vendeur
la déclaration d’achat d’un véhicule d’occasion si l’acquéreur est un professionnel (cerfa 13751),
L’ancien certificat d’immatriculation remis par le précédent propriétaire, revêtu de la mention « vendu le … /…/… (date de la cession) », suivie de sa signature, la preuve d’un contrôle technique de moins de 6 mois remis par le vendeur.
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le permis de conduire du titulaire du véhicule,
l'attestation d'assurance du véhicule.
https://immatriculation.ants.gouv.fr...cule-en-France
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I have given no false information and the last poster is quoting the requirements for a change of ownership not registration of an import.

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I have given no false information and the last poster is quoting the requirements for a change of ownership not registration of an import.
If you import a car you still have to register it and you still have to show that it is insured! No insurance means no registration and the requirements in that regard are the same as for change of ownership. You are leading the OP up the garden path.

Edit: You cannot drive an uninsured vehicle in France.
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It is true that you don't have to have insurance to register an imported vehicle in France, however you cannot legally drive said vehicle on the road without insurance.

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The OP, if planning to have the friend import and register the vehicle, should bear in mind that:
  • Insurance would be the friend's responsibility
  • Other than third party, insurance may well be problematic for this vehicle, especially in terms of value and garaging - imagine for example storm or flooding damage
  • Any fines issued whilst the vehicle is unattended will be attributed to the friend and his/her French driving licence - that includes all traffic offences, as well as any offences relating to eg. camping sauvage

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