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Hello everyone,

I'm asking to see if anybody might have any experience with getting a marriage license from the Marie of the 18th arrondissement in Paris.

My daughter (UK citizen; resident in Paris for 2 years, received a masters from SciencesPo Paris this summer and now job hunting in Paris), and her fiance (Russian; has degrees from Paris and currently employed in the legal profession there on a long term visa sponsored by his employer), are engaged and planning their wedding.

They have come across an unexpected hurdle and now need to try to get the wedding scheduled asap. It's looking possible that my future son-in-law's employer may not renew his long term visa and he may have to return to Russia in September unless they can get the marriage arranged fairly quickly.

Does anyone know how rigidly the rules are followed in the 18th arrondissement? The fiance has only a copy of his original birth certificate from Russia, and it is not dated within 3 months of applying for the marriage license. Do you think the Marie will accept that? Also will they insist on the birth certificates being apostilled and translated? They are going about getting everything in order as fast as they can but time is really short.

Any insights would be most welcome.

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My daughter (UK citizen; resident in Paris for 2 years, received a masters from SciencesPo Paris this summer...
She should apply for French citizenship. I think she qualifies.
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She should apply for French citizenship. I think she qualifies.
Not really helpful. The process takes a year or so.

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Does anyone know how rigidly the rules are followed in the 18th arrondissement? The fiance has only a copy of his original birth certificate from Russia, and it is not dated within 3 months of applying for the marriage license. Do you think the Marie will accept that? Also will they insist on the birth certificates being apostilled and translated? They are going about getting everything in order as fast as they can but time is really short.
Despite the fact that very few other countries use a person's birth record to record marriages, divorces and their death, I'm afraid that having a "recent" dated birth certificate (i.e. a "certified copy" obtained from the records office for the place of birth) is not one of those rules that you can get around anywhere in France.

And yes, they are well within their rights to require that the certified BC copy be apostilled and translated. The translation can generally be obtained fairly quickly (within a few days) though during the month of August, this may become somewhat more difficult.

Also, just the fact of getting married won't give him an automatic right to remain in France. Even as the spouse of an EU national, he would have to apply for a carte de séjour within 90 days of his entry into France if he is no longer covered by his current visa/residence permit.

It could be worthwhile to consider postponing the wedding until he can return to Russia, get the necessary certified copy of his birth certificate and apostille and a Schengen visa (for 90 days) - though that could run afoul of whatever happens with Brexit come October 31st.
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Not really helpful. The process takes a year or so.


Despite the fact that very few other countries use a person's birth record to record marriages, divorces and their death, I'm afraid that having a "recent" dated birth certificate (i.e. a "certified copy" obtained from the records office for the place of birth) is not one of those rules that you can get around anywhere in France.

And yes, they are well within their rights to require that the certified BC copy be apostilled and translated. The translation can generally be obtained fairly quickly (within a few days) though during the month of August, this may become somewhat more difficult.

Also, just the fact of getting married won't give him an automatic right to remain in France. Even as the spouse of an EU national, he would have to apply for a carte de séjour within 90 days of his entry into France if he is no longer covered by his current visa/residence permit.

It could be worthwhile to consider postponing the wedding until he can return to Russia, get the necessary certified copy of his birth certificate and apostille and a Schengen visa (for 90 days) - though that could run afoul of whatever happens with Brexit come October 31st.
Thanks to both for the quick replies. Yes I do think she will qualify for citizenship and she may do that in due course, but indeed it won't help their current predicament. He is aware he will need to apply for a titre de sejour after the marriage.

He may have to return to Russia as you suggest but then he has the worry of successfully getting a visa to return within the 3 months of validity of the BC, not to mention the Brexit monster. Alternatively I'm suggesting to them that perhaps they could go to Gibralter or Cyprus and get married there, where the requirements are much less stringent and the marriages internationally recognized, then return to France to apply for the titre.

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Maybe this:
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Deux personnes étrangères domiciliées ou non en France peuvent faire célébrer leur mariage devant les autorités consulaires de leur pays
could be worth looking at, found here.
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Lydi - it would depend on the consulates' take on that. I know for a fact that the US Consulate will not perform marriages for their citizens or anyone else. Don't know the UK or Russia's positions on this.

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I'm going to throw something into the mix here.

Go and visit a Church/Christian centre.

Assuming they are Christian.

Then even if they are not, they might get help/finding some support..

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A religious ceremony is just that in France, a ceremony.
It's not considered a legal marriage. You have to get married at the mairie.

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Not sure how up to date this is but it was with the pack received from the wedding planner who managed a wedding of a Brit and a Russian here in 2016.

ESSENTIAL
A civil ceremony is the only legally binding type of ceremony possible in France
Civil ceremonies can only take place in the Mairie (Town Hall)
There is a residency period of 40 days immediately prior to a civil ceremony taking place
You may only have a religious ceremony after a civil ceremony has taken place, either in France or in your own country
LEGALITY OF MARRIAGE
Marriages performed in France are internationally recognised and legally binding.
RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS
At least one of the parties to be married has to have been resident in France for a minimum of 40 days continuously, immediately preceding the marriage. This must be in the area where the marriage is to take place.
SPECIAL NOTE ABOUT RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS
Although it is said that the 40 day residency requirement cannot be waivered, if you or your family has property in France the residency requirement is not always strictly followed. However, it is very important to stress that this will be at the discretion of the Mayor at the Mairie (town hall).
PUBLICATION OF THE MARRIAGE BANNS
According to French law one of you must reside in France for 30 days before an application for marriage can be made. The marriage application, otherwise known as the marriage banns must then be posted at the appropriate Mairie (town hall) no less than 10 days prior to your wedding.
REQUIRED DOCUMENTATION
Most Mairies in France require some or all of the following documentation. Specific requirements may vary depending on the area where you intend to marry so it is important that you contact the Mairie to obtain the list of documents and translations required.
All documentation must be original and endorsed with an Apostille Stamp. Any documentation that is not in French must be accompanied by official translations translated by an agency verified by the French Consulate.
A Valid Passport or a French resident permit
Long Form Birth Certificate
This must be issued within 3 months of your marriage date.
Justificatifs de Domicile – Proof of Domicile
You need to show proof of residence. This can take the form of 2 documents such as gas and electricity bills.
Certificat du Notaire – Prenupital agreement
If you are planning to have a prenuptial agreement this must be presented to the Mairie.
Statement of Identity and residence of two witnesses
If you are divorced – Divorce Certificate
If widowed – Death Certificate of previous spouse
Certificat de Celibat
This is a certificate to state that you are not already married and may be sworn before a Consular official at your Embassy in France . This must not be more than 3 months old. If this certificate does not exist under the law of your country you will need to obtain an official attestation from your Consulate to say so.
British Citizens: Download an ‘Explanatory note in lieu of a certificate of celibacy’ by following the prompts on the Gov.uk website.
US Citizens: This can be done in the form of a notarized affidavit (attestation tenant lieu de certificat de célibat ou de non -remariage) provided by the Consular Section of the Embassy and executed before an American Consular officer in France.
Certificat de Coutume: (Certificate of Custom Law)
The Certificate de Coutume certifes that you are both free to marry and your marriage will be recognised in your country of residence.
British Citizens: Applications for a Certificat de Coutume are to be made to the FCO, London. Application forms can be downloaded by following the prompts on the Gov.uk website.Forward your completed form, together with the supporting documentation (detailed on the application form) to the FCO.Once received, your application will be forwarded to the British Embassy in Paris, who will issue your certificate no more than 3 weeks later. It will be posted to the address you specified on the form, please note that it will probably to arrive much sooner if this address is in France.Certificates issued by the UK authorities are usually valid for six months.
Irish Citizens: Certificat de Coutume are issued by the Department of Foreign Affairs, Dublin. The relevant application forms can be downloaded from their website.Certificates issued by the Irish authorities are valid for 120 days from that date of issue.
US Citizens: In most cases the Mairie will accept an affidavit of law issued by the Embassy. However, keep in mind that some Mairies will not accept this and may need an “official” affidavit of law issued by an attorney or notaire practicing in France who must also be licensed to practice in the United States.
All Other Countries: Your Consulate in France will be able to help with issuing these documents, please click on the relevant link below for further details:
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A religious ceremony is just that in France, a ceremony.
It's not considered a legal marriage. You have to get married at the mairie.
So is Christening a child but I know of two Nigerians migrants who had a baby on the way to Europe who have gone threw the process.

They did not have any paperwork.

Next I guess is the marriage.

They were completely helped out by the local church group. That is what they do.

Just saying it is an option.

If not, go to the UK.

France will be a bureaucratic nightmare without any support.
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