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I wouldn't worry too much about it. Your initial mailing may have been returned to you if you sent it to one of the PO Box addresses the IRS maintains. Most express delivery services cannot deliver to PO Boxes.

When you get something like that, you fill it out and mail it back, regular post. Good faith effort is all that is required. And there is always the possibility that sending the letter to you was a simple mistake. (The overseas address should have clued them on the fact that you are exempt from the health care thing - besides, they recently dropped the penalty anyhow so the net result even if you weren't exempt was $0.)
I'VE BEEN CHARGED $770.43 BY THE IRS FOR NOT HAVING HEALTH INSURANCE COVERAGE FOR THE YEAR OF 2018!!!!!!!!!!!!

What do I do???!!!! Please help! They say that if I don't pay the balance in full they will start charging interest! This can't be RIGHT! I haven't lived in the U.S. for over five years! Why am I being charged unfairly for health insurance I never needed?

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Sounds like 30 days after the automated system mistakenly sent you the warning, it followed up automatically with a second-level warning. Apparently your response correcting the mistake has not yet been received, or if received hasnít been acted upon.

Wait and see what happens next, would be my advice.
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Or, check with the Taxpayer Advocate Services: https://taxpayeradvocate.irs.gov/new...&taxissue=1217
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Or, check with the Taxpayer Advocate Services: https://taxpayeradvocate.irs.gov/new...&taxissue=1217
Thank you. I will check immediately. I plan to call the IRS later on today to see if I can sort it out, but you know what they're like . . . the IRS is not unlike the mob.

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Thank you. I will check immediately. I plan to call the IRS later on today to see if I can sort it out, but you know what they're like . . . the IRS is not unlike the mob.
That's precisely why they have the Taxpayer Advocate Service. Haven't had occasion to use the IRS one, but I had to deal with the California Taxpayer Advocate several years back (and California has a reputation as a difficult state for tax matters), and got excellent assistance to resolve the problem.
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. . . the IRS is not unlike the mob.
From what Iíve heard, dealing with the IRS from outside America is more like dealing with the worldís worst Customer Service helpline.

Poorly trained, indifferent, aiming above all to avoid transferring you to anyone who might be able (and therefore required) to help.

Not actually able to steal your money, shoot you, or leave a horseís head under your duvet.
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I just wish I could tell the press about this so that people can be informed how the U.S. government REALLY treats its citizens! Extortion, exploitation, usury, unfair taxation--I thought the so-called founding fathers left England in the first place to get away from being treated unfairly! This is a direct violation of my rights as a U.S. citizen because the IRS has violated the 8th Amendment, which states, "Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive FINES imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted." Yes, I do call this a CRUEL and UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT to fine me for health insurance when I clearly do not LIVE in that country and already have health insurance that is kindly provided FREE OF CHARGE by the United Kingdom who has treated me with the utmost respect, decorum, honour, courtesy, kindness, and the liberty and justice I was NOT endowed with when I lived in the United States.

They are a country who began with very high ideals and have fallen miserably short of those ideals ever since the Enlightenment era! I'm just glad my dad's not here to see what the government he fought for and eventually DIED for last year (yes, his cancer was directly caused by the Agent Orange and other chemicals he was exposed to during the Vietnam War which was proved and legally established), is doing to his youngest daughter. He would be outraged and ashamed of his country!

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Deepest sympathy for your fatherís suffering inflicted by that terrible terrible war, and for your loss.

The US legal system, including taxation, is very different from the UK system, but the rights arenít that different. Youíre presumably paying for your use of the NHS - through National Insurance, or through the applicable surcharge. But I agree the UK system is much more capable of treating its population as human beings rather than as potential criminals and trying to terrorise them into obedience regardless of right and wrong.. There was a very interesting discussion of the difference between US and UK legal systems, in the most recent Reith lectures on Radio 4. Jonathan Sumption. Well worth a listen.

I left America long ago (during that terrible war), metaphorically slamming the door behind me, and had very little to do with America or Americans during the decades following - until FATCA came along and a snotty teenaged bank clerk refused to open a bank account for me.

The FATCA fiasco, and renouncing US citizenship, has lifted my ancient fear of the US. There are good things, and of course many good people, as well as some terrible things and some stupid, stupid laws.

Iím very glad to have lived my life in England.
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Thank you for that Underation. *hugs* And thank you for your kind condolences. The anniversary of his passing was just last week and I'm still feeling very heart broken and bereft.

You are right of course that there are good things and good people in the U.S. as well as the bad and the stupid. I am glad you lived your life in England. I tell you it has been the best move of my life on so many levels and for so many good reasons. I'm happy here. I have my true love, the house of my dreams, and an excellent job that challenges me as well as puts food on the table, not to mention a community I feel a part of, friendly neighbours, and the best friends I've ever made.

I shall certainly give the Reith lectures a listen! Thank you very much for your reply.

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Let me just throw in a bit of perspective here. The IRS Taxpayer Advocate program has been extremely supportive of US citizens living overseas. They have submitted reports to both the IRS and Congress outlining the confusion and the unintended consequences of much of the tax legislation (FATCA, FBAR, FEIE, Foreign Tax Credit). And on their website, they publish accounts of some of the cases where they have been able to obtain justice for the taxpayer.

Another option is to join forces with one of the expat advocacy groups. AARO is one, but the ACA (American Citizens Abroad) tends to be a bit more militant on tax and other issues.
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