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Old 31st July 2013, 08:13 AM
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Cricket..? thats like baseball right?

anyway, sorry yes, back on topic.
baseball is like rounders.
generally played by 9 year old girls without organ music.

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As Vantage pointed out private schooling in the UK is an option that a fortunate few of us were able to take advantage of (less than 10% of British children are in independent schools). Everyone has access to free schooling whether it's good or not.

In Dubai we do not have that option. If you have school age children here you must pay for their education. That's why it's not unreasonable to expect the company to provide sufficient school fees or failing that a package sufficient enough to cover the fees.

If you couldn't afford the school fees in Dubai, would you be here? Or would you have brought your family here?

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Unfortunately, i know that 25000 is not enough as my son's school fees are 56000 per year!
I actually suggested 25000 towards school fees - rather than asking for the whole amount.
This is based on a few reasons as follows:-
In UK, where state schools are free - you can send kids to school for no fees.
In the area we lived, we were not impressed with state schools - so chose to send our son to a private school at an equivalent cost of around 45,000 AED per year.
Our UK employers did not pay for this and we had to pay the fees out of our taxed income (so effectively costing us 70,000 AED per year)
This means that our schooling costs in UAE are actually 65% lower than they were in the UK, once you compare the UK costs versus the real UAE cost ( and deduct our schooling fee allowance from the company).
I dont therefore believe that my UAE employer should be expected to pay UAE fees in full and i am still better off than in the UK - you also dont want to frighten them off at the negotiation stage!!!

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Actually that would be soccer

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Actually that would be soccer
maybe in the US but for the majority of planet earth its rounders/baseball for 9 year old girls and football for everyone else..

anyway, again off topic and i promise i'm not trying to have a go, just a bit of friendly cross pond banter

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Actually that would be soccer
Couldn't agree more. Personally can't stand soccer/football.
The game is OK. The money and everything about the professional game leaves me very very cold.

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Hi guys
im from iran and i wanna go to uae for work
do u think i can get a job there?
my skill is : php/mysql/css/html/js(jquery)
and i can work with yii FW and cakephp FW
u think , how much will my salary there?
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Despite what Steve said 25,000 AED/year is not sufficient for any halfway decent school in Dubai. Google American School of Dubai and Dubai American Academy and you'll find their fees listed.

At the very minimum you want 50,000 AED per child for school fees and you'll still have to top up on that. Ask the company for school fees in full.

Based on your offer and that you're the first person sent to the UAE by your company I don't think they have a clue as to what the cost of living is like in Dubai and that expatriate families need things they don't require in the US, such as school fees.

Plus, anything you make above the 95K USD threshold will be taxed.

Given the high risk of failure in your position (a new company trying to break into a new market) I'd only accept the transfer if I received the 33K/month as a minimum base salary, with a minimum of 200K for housing plus full school fees at the school of your choice. And this is the minimum.

Also keep in mind that while you currently make 94K USD in the US and it may be taxed, you're receiving social security benefits and any other retirement benfits/IRA benefits which you won't get in the UAE. If you elect to use the 95K tax deductible you're not allowed to contribute anything to your IRA schemes (so say my American coworkers).

In short, you may very well find that while 94K allows you to live a comfortable life in Chicago with access to good schools for the children, for something comparable in the UAE you need a package value closer to 200K due to the high cost of schooling and housing.

Examples:
A standard, unremarkable 3-bed villa in a typical expatriate community (Springs, Arabian Ranches) now rents for around 150-175k AED/year.

School fees at Dubai American Academy is 50K for kindergarten and goes up to 70K for first grade and onwards (and American School of Dubai is even more expensive).
TallyHo
Thank you for the great feedback. They did state that they will include me in their 401K plan. But you bring up a great point in that by using the 95Kdeductible, I will not be able to contribute to the IRA schemes. I have some great arguments to negotiate. I get a feeling that they will not move further but it is what it is.
Thank you again!

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Hi TallyHo

Unfortunately, i know that 25000 is not enough as my son's school fees are 56000 per year!
I actually suggested 25000 towards school fees - rather than asking for the whole amount.
This is based on a few reasons as follows:-
In UK, where state schools are free - you can send kids to school for no fees.
In the area we lived, we were not impressed with state schools - so chose to send our son to a private school at an equivalent cost of around 45,000 AED per year.
Our UK employers did not pay for this and we had to pay the fees out of our taxed income (so effectively costing us 70,000 AED per year)
This means that our schooling costs in UAE are actually 65% lower than they were in the UK, once you compare the UK costs versus the real UAE cost ( and deduct our schooling fee allowance from the company).
I dont therefore believe that my UAE employer should be expected to pay UAE fees in full and i am still better off than in the UK - you also dont want to frighten them off at the negotiation stage!!!

Cheers
Steve

Hi Steve
Thank you again. I am slightly in the same boat. I send my kids to private school and although my son is in KG, i pay about USD 5,500 per year and $1000 for the daughter as she is in nursery and my current company does not pay anything for this education. And that is exactly what I do not want to do - frighten them, but i think they will be either way.

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I am a newbie and would like you comments/suggestions on this pay. Have an offer to work in Dubai and here is the pay summary:

Compensation+ Housing: AED 50000

Family Health insurance: Covered

Bonus Potential: upto 3 months of pay

Children Schooling: Covered @ 50 %

I have 2 yound kids. Can I survive?

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I also would like to know if there are any good websites to apply for jobs in Middle East and getting to work as an expat. I tried bayt.com but have not had any luck on there.

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