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Yes we are, but seriously 'senior role' has no meaning. Is it head waiter or CEO both would be considered a senior role in context. If you are CEO I would say the salary a bit on the low end, for head waiter it is pretty good

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Hello all
I was hoping to get some advice from you all. I am a US citizen
Family background: 33 yrs married with 5.5 yr old son and 3 yr old daughter
Educational Background: BS and MS in Mech Engg (Northern Illinois University) 2005, MBA (Northern Illinois University) 2012
Work Background: Applications Engineer 2005-2012, Branch Sales Manager 2012 - Present in Chicago for a commercial pump company
Offer Received to relocate to Dubai: The offering company is relocating someone internationally for the first time. Position title is International Regional Sales Development Manager. This position is responsible for growing business in the MENA region (Middle East and North Africa) and requires upto 50% travel. Offer includes after 1st round of negotiation USD 9,200 per month (approximately 33,500 AED per month). This includes car allowance, higher schooling costs and higher cost of housing in Dubai. Personally I am not satisfied with the offer but wanted to seek advice as I think this will be a good career move.
What advice or suggestions would you give me about this offer? Any comments are appreciated.
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Yes we are, but seriously 'senior role' has no meaning. Is it head waiter or CEO both would be considered a senior role in context. If you are CEO I would say the salary a bit on the low end, for head waiter it is pretty good
It's a senior technician at an production company, audio lighting etc

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I was hoping to get some advice from you all. I am a US citizen
Family background: 33 yrs married with 5.5 yr old son and 3 yr old daughter
Educational Background: BS and MS in Mech Engg (Northern Illinois University) 2005, MBA (Northern Illinois University) 2012
Work Background: Applications Engineer 2005-2012, Branch Sales Manager 2012 - Present in Chicago for a commercial pump company
Offer Received to relocate to Dubai: The offering company is relocating someone internationally for the first time. Position title is International Regional Sales Development Manager. This position is responsible for growing business in the MENA region (Middle East and North Africa) and requires upto 50% travel. Offer includes after 1st round of negotiation USD 9,200 per month (approximately 33,500 AED per month). This includes car allowance, higher schooling costs and higher cost of housing in Dubai. Personally I am not satisfied with the offer but wanted to seek advice as I think this will be a good career move.
What advice or suggestions would you give me about this offer? Any comments are appreciated.
Thank you!

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Is the USD 9,200 all inclusive, i.e with housing and schooling included ?

If so, I would reject it as you will have 2 kids in school in a years time, and it will be very hard to cover everything on that.
Btw, does it cross the treshhold that US citizens need wrt taxes ?

Professionally speaking, the fact that you will be responsible for growth and travel within the entire MENA is something you may want actual details of, like:
1) Would it involve travel to Iraq, Egypt, Morocco etc.? Many companies have someone covering the GCC only.
2) It is the first time that your company is relocating someone; would that mean higher expectations of your performance?

And of course the last bit, how well are they paying you now, and how "settled" are you, like do you own a home, does your spouse have a job etc. ?

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Hello all
I was hoping to get some advice from you all. I am a US citizen
Family background: 33 yrs married with 5.5 yr old son and 3 yr old daughter
Educational Background: BS and MS in Mech Engg (Northern Illinois University) 2005, MBA (Northern Illinois University) 2012
Work Background: Applications Engineer 2005-2012, Branch Sales Manager 2012 - Present in Chicago for a commercial pump company
Offer Received to relocate to Dubai: The offering company is relocating someone internationally for the first time. Position title is International Regional Sales Development Manager. This position is responsible for growing business in the MENA region (Middle East and North Africa) and requires upto 50% travel. Offer includes after 1st round of negotiation USD 9,200 per month (approximately 33,500 AED per month). This includes car allowance, higher schooling costs and higher cost of housing in Dubai.
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With your qualifications and experience, I would be pushing for the following:-
33,500 AED base salary
2500 AED per month car allowance
25000 AED per child per/ per year towards school fees
10000 AED per moth housing allowance
Plus medical insuance for family, return flights per year etc. Etc.

If you dont get the above, just remember that you will probably be spending in excess of 20,000 AED per month for housing, car, utilities, food, school fees etc.

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good luck ,This is a good salary

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Is the USD 9,200 all inclusive, i.e with housing and schooling included ?

If so, I would reject it as you will have 2 kids in school in a years time, and it will be very hard to cover everything on that.
Btw, does it cross the treshhold that US citizens need wrt taxes ?

Professionally speaking, the fact that you will be responsible for growth and travel within the entire MENA is something you may want actual details of, like:
1) Would it involve travel to Iraq, Egypt, Morocco etc.? Many companies have someone covering the GCC only.
2) It is the first time that your company is relocating someone; would that mean higher expectations of your performance?

And of course the last bit, how well are they paying you now, and how "settled" are you, like do you own a home, does your spouse have a job etc. ?


Dear Tropicana
Thank you for the details and valuable feedback.
This is almost like a competitor company I got an offer from. It does not require travel to Iraq, Syria. Not sure about Egypt and Morocco. Primarily and heavily working with distributors in UAE and Saudi Arabia.
There are a couple of bonus/incentives and obviously there is no guarantee to this. One is the standard incentive that everyone receives and they mentioned it was approx USD 5000 per month and then performance incentive which is 3% of increase in sales based on a 5 year rolling average. They havent shared specific numbers with me but they expect at the very least to be in the range of USD 15K to 20K. I am not sure what the tax threshold is. I think anything over USD 92000 is taxable if i live in Dubai.
They are also paying for 25 days of vacation and all relocation expenses will be covered which includes furniture and 1 car moving to Dubai.
The company that I work for now - I get USD 94K per year with approximately $25-30K in bonuses all of which is obviously taxable.
I look forward to hearing from you.

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It's a senior technician at an production company, audio lighting etc
To continue with the interrogation.....

Lights are lights, sound is sound - you cannot change the laws of physics.

What skills will you be bringing to Dubai that your future employer cannot get from someone from India or philippines?

Reason for this question is that your CV will be compared with people from around the globe and there are plenty of talented people from above countries who would jump at the salary you mentioned, as they have a lower cost base.

Unless you have some extremely special skill that cannot be got from elsewhere - you would struggle to negotiate a better package (and i believe you would possibly struggle to manage on the package mentioned, depending on your lifestyle)


Best of luck - whatever you decide.
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With your qualifications and experience, I would be pushing for the following:-
33,500 AED base salary
2500 AED per month car allowance
25000 AED per child per/ per year towards school fees
10000 AED per moth housing allowance
Plus medical insuance for family, return flights per year etc. Etc.

If you dont get the above, just remember that you will probably be spending in excess of 20,000 AED per month for housing, car, utilities, food, school fees etc.

Cheers
steve
Steve
Thank you for the information. That is what I was hoping. But it seems like they are a smaller company and looking for someone to grow business in that region. Initially, they started at 89,000 USD and after i mentioned everything about all kinds of allowances, they moved to USD 110K. While I think it is a great opportunity to enhance my career, I just find that offer like you and Tropicana mentioned, on the lower end especially with two kids. I will try negotiating again as they are willing to listen.
Thank you again.

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