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I am amazed that you choose to degrade your own nationality this way. Are you saying that no indian earns more than 60k aed or negotiates for it.? India i guess is a big country and has many different classes of people. Just because u can't fanthom an indian negotiating a 60k aed salary does not count for much i am afraid. i see plenty to the contrary. Do you know btw what % of graduating class of harvard business school is indian or of indian origin/definately indian looking...30%...its even higher at other places.... u think one of those guys would work for a raghead (assuming this is correct) for 60k aed?......that's way too much inferiority complex. You will only get as much respect as you ascribe to yourself.
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I am going to take the high road and ignore everything that you have said above, simply because your ignorance is very evident in the fact that you choose to address the people, whose country you are now living in with derogatory terms. I have read your posts and they are nothing but negative jibes at the people and the city of Dubai, so your effort to try and stir up something with me is really quite futile.
1./ The guy deserves more than 14k for sure. So he should not come here unless he gets paid more.
2./ I really like Dubai.
3./ For someone who thinks that people being paid on nationality is ok, and who tries to categorize a very diverse segment of people into one narrow band, talking about taking the high road is pretty rich.
4./ You have all the freedom to say why you don't deserve 60k but don't have the right to say why everyone with your nationality doesn't deserve it. BTW you may be surprised to know that the entire 100th floor of Burj Khalifa is owned by an Indian guy .. .

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4./ You have all the freedom to say why you don't deserve 60k but don't have the right to say why everyone with your nationality doesn't deserve it. BTW you may be surprised to know that the entire 100th floor of Burj Khalifa is owned by an Indian guy .. .

Well said.

Categorizing by nationality doesnt make sense , even with "home country premiums", simply because in India, there are engineers earning 1000 Dhs and engineers earning 20,000 Dhs.

So its really stupid for companies to offer 3000 Dhs to the guy earning 20,000, with the candidate turning it down, and the company HR will scratch their heads and ask, "why should I pay more than 3000 for an Indian when other Indians will accept it?"
The answer being, there is a whole world of difference between the 2 engineers, but in the narrow eyes of that company, their work/experience/ability differential counts for little, what matters is that they are "both Indians"......

One will notice that in general, the more successful companies in Dubai often dont have wild salary fluctuations based on country of origin; a difference of 20-30% maybe, but not the "westerner should earn 4 times what the Asian earns"

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Seriously Woodlands, this is one argument you will not win. But since I have some time to kill before I actually begin my work day...here goes.

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1./ The guy deserves more than 14k for sure. So he should not come here unless he gets paid more. - You don't know the guy. You only know that he is an Indian S/W engineer who is supposedly based in Singapore and has 4 years of experience. This may come as a shock to you but Software engineers are a dime a dozen in India. In fact, you will be hard pressed to find an Indian who is not an Engineer, holds a Master's degree or is some sort of professional in a specialised field. We are a very smart and competitive race, so him being an Oracle certified Software engineer really is no big feat as probably half of Ramesh's classmates have gone on to actually get MBAs or PHDs by now, which is typical of us people.
2./ I really like Dubai. - You call the people of Dubai towelheads and because Andy Capp suggested "Raghead", went on to call them that, which only goes to show that you really aren't the brightest bonbon in the box. He was winding you up and you played right into his hands.
3./ For someone who thinks that people being paid on nationality is ok, and who tries to categorize a very diverse segment of people into one narrow band, talking about taking the high road is pretty rich. - See above point about bonbons
4./ You have all the freedom to say why you don't deserve 60k but don't have the right to say why everyone with your nationality doesn't deserve it. BTW you may be surprised to know that the entire 100th floor of Burj Khalifa is owned by an Indian guy .. - I did not say that everyone in my nationality deserves less than 60K. Again, you don't know the guy, so for you to tell him that he needs to negotiate for at least 60K a month would be highly misleading because if he loses this job offer in the bargain, my guess is that you will be no where around to help him find another one.
And lastly, you don't know me either, so don't make assumptions based out of ignorance. I am not surprised that an Indian owns the entire 100th floor of the Burj Khalifa as I know the person. Chances are that at some point during your stay in Dubai, you have crossed one of the many bridges that my family has built in Dubai. Some of the richest people in this city are Indians but that does not mean all Indians should fight for a salary of 60K and above only because they are Oracle certified software engineer.


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Hi Pamela,

I am single. I was told that I should be able to get a single bed apartment for AED 4000 and my total monthly expenses wouldn't exceed 7000 AED(including house rental). Is this a realistic estimate?

Hi Ramesh,

I've mentioned earlier, if you are a single, based on your qualifications and experience, AED 14,000 a month is a decent enough start. Once you're here and you earn the relevant market experience, you can then go on to negotiate a high salary with the other IT companies based in Dubai. I did recommend that you be based in Dubai as rents are cheaper and the cost of living these days is generally lower than Abu Dhabi.

Please pm me if you need any further details and I will be happy to help. Btw, I come from a family of CCNEs.

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Would people agree that a 50% premium on their home country salary is a reasonable and realistic expectation?
I think it is.

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Seriously Woodlands, this is one argument you will not win. But since I have some time to kill before I actually begin my work day...here goes.

"In fact, you will be hard pressed to find an Indian who is not an Engineer, holds a Master's degree or is some sort of professional in a specialised field. We are a very smart and competitive race, "

Again a bit too much generalization...? 1 billion people ..more than 400 m on less than $1/day...i guess u see where the issue is.

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"In fact, you will be hard pressed to find an Indian who is not an Engineer, holds a Master's degree or is some sort of professional in a specialised field. We are a very smart and competitive race, "

Again a bit too much generalization...? 1 billion people ..more than 400 m on less than $1/day...i guess u see where the issue is.
It is not a generalization, it's a fact. A generalization would be me saying that inspite of the vast disparity between the rich and the poor people in our country, we are still more educated than the entire population of France. That, would be a generalization.

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I am amazed that you choose to degrade your own nationality this way. Are you saying that no indian earns more than 60k aed or negotiates for it.? India i guess is a big country and has many different classes of people. Just because u can't fanthom an indian negotiating a 60k aed salary does not count for much i am afraid. i see plenty to the contrary. Do you know btw what % of graduating class of harvard business school is indian or of indian origin/definately indian looking...30%...its even higher at other places.... u think one of those guys would work for a raghead (assuming this is correct) for 60k aed?......that's way too much inferiority complex. You will only get as much respect as you ascribe to yourself.


Pammy, forgive him, he is French and we all know how pompous some people who are from/live in that country can be................

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It is not a generalization, it's a fact. A generalization would be me saying that inspite of the vast disparity between the rich and the poor people in our country, we are still more educated than the entire population of France. That, would be a generalization.
It's cos they too busy eating garlic........... also a generalisation (excuse the S instead of Z but am British)

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