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Moving out with the family in May/June and plan to stay for three years. Panicking a bit having read MBG's post, however some of the other replys have put this in context. Having been in Dubai a couple of times recently the cost of living seems OK to me, however I must add that I am currently living in Dublin Ireland - Now that is an expensive city!!

Still, looking forward to our Arabian adventure and as most replys have said we are coming out with an open mind.

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Still, looking forward to our Arabian adventure and as most replys have said we are coming out with an open mind.
And in that case you will enjoy it. If you come here and only hanker for home country TV/Food/Ale/People - well you won't enjoy it, but come hare with the right attitude and see it as an adventure, and you and your kids (if you have any) will love it.

I sold it to my son (then aged 4) as we're going to live in the land of the camels...
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Have been here 3 months. Am saying I am doing two years but we shall see. My coworkers thought I wasnt going to last 6 months.

I too cant stand the no lefts, and driving a zillion extra miles. I love the ocean but unfortunatly Dubai has done everything they can to destroy their coast line.. but will make the best out of it and learn to scuba. I love playing golf, but this place only has the best and most expensive, and no just regular joe golf courses to go to or night cheap driving ranges to go wack a ball at. I sure do miss my motorcycle and thought about picking up a used one or having mine sent, but this place seems pretty crazy with driving. I drive fast, but not dangerously, running up on peoples rear ends and nearly running them off the road, which seems to be normal driving on szr. The lack of just small eating places that are 'normal' food... I keep trying indian food as they say it will grow on you, but at this point, prob eaten like 20 diff dishes, I still dont like it. Apartment living in itself doenst suit me but I think this is apartment living anywhere. Can't a girl get some bbq at home?? Still can not figure out why everything I cook tastes 'off' (I only eat chicken, turkey or fish). I have went nearly vegan at this point as I cant put my finger on it, but something isnt quite right with the chicken. I lived in Germany four years, and it wasnt 'off'. There wasn't a marine forum for the uae so was hard to find other reefers, so I started a site and have met other starved reefers who find this place dreadfully hard to get decent equipment in as well If I am asked how much one more fricken time, I am going to literally just start screaming at the person. I am a tomboy in fricken jeans and tshirt or out running in a t shirt and sweats/**** yoga pants. It's just awful! Nakheel is terrible and wont fix anything. They sent a guy who told me my ceiling wasnt leaking and it was ok even though you could clearly see that it was leaking recently with the ceiling/dry wall is falling down in like a 2 ft area. My company is paying for a phone in my apartment that has never workeed. Trying to deal with those people is useless. They never come when they say they will. This is more me being put in cheap accommodations then Dubai's fault! But then, it could be worse. I could be in 'shared' accommodations with a number of other people. To get animals here, there is lots of red tape and waiting and forms and just utter nonsense in the end. Pay one fee, one time, and just be done with it. And let the people grab the 'originals' that have to be on the crate to come over, when the animal gets here, instead of saying no you cant have the animal, but we need the originals. Always have 'two' originals for pet shipping!

I think any American moving here, should go to vegas and stay there a few weeks. It sure does give a good idea of what this place is.

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I sold it to my son (then aged 4) as we're going to live in the land of the camels...[/QUOTE]

I like your style! Our little guy is three and and he is looking forward to moving to a new land and meeting the real camels - I brought him home a stuffed camel on one of my recent trips!

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After 12mo we have decided to move on.

Context: young family 2+2, all in income 530k dhs, modest expectations - not really comfortable with "luxury", prefer down to earth.

After negotiating what we thought was adequate rem we spent the last year trying to make ends meet. They didnt. Sure rents have come back a bit but the numbers still don't cut it when compared to opportunities elsewhere.

Speaking to veteran western expats (10yr) it soon becomes clear why we have struggled so much. Back in the day, rents used to be 30k for a big villa in compound, schools were virtually free and you had so much disposable income that it compensated for all the little things that MBG has touched on (there are many many more).

That said, for non-western expats life here is pretty bloody good. The indian, pakistani, bangladesh and indonesian non-labourer workforce seem to have a great ole time with their immediate families here and rest of family only quick flight away, a huge step up in quality of life.

Also, for singles it could be a real blast! Offroading, camping, diving, fishing, partying, sunshine hours, travelling - man what a great place for 20 something pro singles.

Westerner families however often come from home countries that are also multicultural, with good free public health and school systems, adequate rem and best of all family and friends. Dont get me wrong, we have really enjoyed our vacations in europe, me countries, wonders of the world etc, just not currently a good place for families to settle for any length of time.

Of course there are those who earn much more than us and for them the equation will be different!

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Hello Elphaba..


I have been all my life here..but looking at the current scenario...difficult to predict. I would like to continue being here though

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No addresses, takes 3 tries (and half a day) to find a place.
Television is horrible, no DVR, limited Hi Def, Very few TV shows
Horrible lack of American sports on TV
Too hot in Summer
Hard to understand anyone, and hard for them to understand me
Can't find numerous American foods and products (or if do, incredibly overpriced).
Restaurants are entirely overated and overpriced
Cost of living is too high
My job sucks.
Not one single American in my office, which is filled with backstabbing people (amazingly all from the same home country). I have zero social interaction at job.
Job is nowhere near what they promissed me
Can't make a left turn
We have absolutely no social life, no Americans live near us.
Our kids are miserable and get to have friends over only after days of planning and then it's hit and miss. They are socially starved.
The red tape involving anything here is miserable (took 12 weeks to get family , Visas, and that was with someone with my company helping me!!)
Took 7 weeks before I even gained security clearance to get to my own office
Can't buy alcohal (legaly!) and drinks are rediculously expensive
Can't make a left turn, anywhere
My son's ADHD medication is not allowed here. We have him on a backup medicine which is not performing very well. His mental health is a serious issue.
He went from honor roll student to flunkinig out.
Surrounded by sand and new construction, no place for kids to play without driving several miles to get there.
Parking is horrible
Driving is a nightmare
A co-workers daughter was kidnapped at school, this terrifies me.
Can't get several items i would like to have
Mail system is rediculously slow and unreliable
I hate having to go to a giant mall for nearly everything
Hate being woken up at 5am by loud speakers
Mother in law moved in with us (not Dubai's fault, but man that sucks).
Everything has been a giant struggle.

It's bad enough when you and the wife know you made a bad decision, but when the kids are constantly crying and asking when we can move home, it really wears on you. The list above is but a tiny drop in the bucket compared to everything else i could add.

My sister in law has been here for 25 years and she has told me that she has never heard of anyone having 1/100th as much problems, as anyone else, moving here.

By the 4th month, we had developed such a bad taste in our mouths, and a bad attitude, that there is nothing which could make us enjoy being here. Call it being spiteful, but it was a bad decision for us to come here.

That said, the Medical care here is absolutely first rate. The service (when someone understands you) is also top notch. I will also admit there are several things which don't cost an arm and a leg, which you can't do elsewhere in ther world. Unfortunately though, you can't make every day a new adventure and the depression of the normal daily routine is putting great stress on my family.

Bottom line, we gave up way too much to come here and be miserable.

Sorry, but you asked.

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Been here 14 months and contract requires me to remain for another 5-6 years. Probably will stay for longer though for a mixture of reasons related to career, and not wishing to see any of my money going to the gobs**tes in Westminster right now. Plus I quite like it here!

I was told I would, and indeed I did, go through 3 stages moving here.

The first is the initial reaction, which is of excitement at the new challenges and opportunities ahead as well as the adventure. You will like it in the UAE during this stage.

The second is the realisation that this is not home. (I was already prepared for this after a 7 hour flight away from home but still...) Things work differently and some things, well, don't work at all yet, but this is a country that is developing - it's not finished yet and so perfection isn't to be expected. You will probably hate the UAE during this phase.

The third is when you realise that everywhere has it problems. When your internet is broken in the UAE you call the company and speak to someone who barely speaks English and is following a set procedure on their screen. The exact same thing happens in the UK - and if the call centre isn't in Mumbai it is probably in Glasgow (and then you are really confused!) You accept the negatives, deal with them and refocus on the reasons you came. You'll be happy living in the UAE then (of course you'll miss home but that's normal).

Anyway MBJ this isn't the US, and that's where most of your gripes come from - personally this is good for me as I have an unhealthy addiction to A&F and Hollister so if they were in MOTE I would be bankrupt by now! For you though it is obviously a problem - not your fault, obviously, but not Dubai's either.

Could someone explain the not turning left thing to me? There are plenty of left turns in Al Ain should you need a fix of them????

The UAE certainly has its faults (e.g. general rights issues) but for me the positives outweigh the downsides and hopefully given time the downsides will be attended to.

Jynx Girl,

Have you thought about a long drive down to Al Ashkara (sp?) in Oman - me and a buddy from Al Ain took a surfing trip down there last year (6 hours drive form Al Ain) it is a long way but if your take a tent and some music the scenery on the drive and the completely unspoilt* beaches that await you are great!

*well not entirely unspoilt, this is still the Indian ocean and whatever goes in the water in Mumbai inevitably washes up here during the South West Monsoon.
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After 12mo we have decided to move on.
That said, for non-western expats life here is pretty bloody good. The indian, pakistani, bangladesh and indonesian non-labourer workforce seem to have a great ole time with their immediate families here and rest of family only quick flight away, a huge step up in quality of life.
While i agree that dubai is probably easier on the lifestyle for singles/young couples rather than families, it is nonsense to try and suggest that non-western expats (which from your examples seem to be really saying south-asian expats) have it any easier than western expats.

All families have the same money concerns, like schooling, food, travel, etc. So a young 2+2 south-asian family will have the same issues as you do.
Or perhaps you think that these costs are somehow cheaper for south-asians than for westerners?
And even though flights are shorter to south-asia, how often do you see indian/pakistanis take long weekend breaks home to visit family and friends?

I would suggest these families are having a "great ole time" because they have not brought their hangups from home to dubai and are instead willing to make the best of their life here.
Soemthing which some western families seem to be unwilling/unable to do.

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I have been here just over 4 months, my husband has been here over a year. He doesn't like it when I read these forums. He says enjoying your life here is all about the attitude you have, if you have a bad attitude on everything, your not going to like it. If all you read is people complaining about everything they hate about Dubai, your going to have a bad attitude about living here. And, I have to say he has a point. This isn't the US, and trust me, I miss home more than anything. But, think that this is temporary and you won't be living here forever. Most people I know from home would love to have this opportunity, so I find myself very lucky to be here with my husband, our 3 yr old, with another baby on the way, and I get to be a stay at home Mom at 24! I would have to say I have a pretty good life here so far, and I am going to keep my head held high with a positive attitude. Make your own opinion once you experience it for yourself.

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Wow! I'm half sorry I asked, but have commented on some of your issues above.

You cannot expect the ME to be like a town in the US. Half the point of moving abroad to to experience a different lifestyle. Sadly, if you want it to be just like home, you will be permanently disappointed.

It sounds as if you have had a few bad experiences, but can you not move to an area you prefer and socialise with non-Americans? Dubai is a great melting pot of people and cultures that you won't find in many other places. I recommend embracing it and exploring the whole city as it is not as you have described it.

A positive attitude and a sense of humour gets you a long way around these parts.

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Yes, not being able to make a left turn is a HUGE issue. It often causes you to have to continue a great distance before you can get to where you are going. Sometimes it makes it hard to even figure out how to get to the building when it's just across the street. I have gotten lost many times, due to this. Ever been to Al Nasar Leisurland? My son plays hockey there. It's a new adventure, every Monday.

As for the need to be near Americans. It is not a need to to be surrounded by Americans, it is a need to have one American to work with, or one American to hang out with. I greatly enjoy the multicultural experience. My wife is half filipino, my mother is pure (lives with us), my sister in law is half, and she is here and married to a UAE National. I love all of them, and enjoy being around them and their families. I just need to have someone who enjoys what we enjoy, to hang out with. I also enjoy the fact that my kids are going to school with several other nationalities. I think this will be very beneficial when we return, as there is a lot of prejudice in the states. I hate that about the states and don't want my kids to learn that mentality.

If you think I am off base on this, why is there a 13 page thread entitled "Any Americans" on this forum. People generally enjoy meeting new people, but in the end, people prefer to hang out with others with similar interests. It's common nature.

You will never in your life meet anyone with a more positive attitude, and warmer sense of humor than me. My wife and I actually argue over it constantly. She continually tries to talk me out of being happy, when hurdles slow us. She tends to be more negative, when i am overly positive. That said, we have just realized that we do not fit in here.

It seems to me that most of the complaints are coming from Americans, while many Europeans don't understand why we are complaining so much. There is a certain incovenience to living here, that we just don't like. And no giant building, or indoor ski mountain will outweigh that.

I think Desres made some good comments regarding the glitz wears off quickly. It's the normalcy that defines if you are happy. Jynxgirl als had some exrtemely enlightening comments. I hate litter too. The desert DOES NOT consume all! And having the pets shipped was an absolute nightmare. My daughter was crying at the airport! Why won't they just give us our dogs??????

If I could do it over again, I would come over on my own and set up shop for a few months. Take this time to endure the hardships on my own. Putting my family through this has been truly stressful on all of us, even family back home watching us endure this. The lack of access to vital medication has created the greatest strain on us. My son gained 24 pounds in two months. Thats 74# to 98# in two months. thats a 33% increase in body weight, due to the testing of different medications. His mental and physical health became a big issue.

Elphaba, i truly appreciate your comments, and I think if we ever met to be able to trade dialogue, it would be much easier to understand each other. I hope i eventually have the oppertunity to meet several people on this board. That said, you state that there are several ways to eliviate many of my complaints, and you are certainly correct. Unfortunately, many of the resolutions are an inconvenience to me and my family. The simple things here are a struggle, and that makes us unhappy.

All that said, 2 months ago we decided that this place is just not for us. Even though 250 out of our 300 vital issues have been resolved, we just feel like we gave up too much to come here. We don't hate it like we did before, we just don't like it very much. We went back home to visit over the holidays, to wipe the slate clean and get this bad taste out of our mouthes. It worked, and we have rejuvinated our attitudes. We are now taking advantage of the things we can, but still look foward to our return to the states. My son and I are currently taking up SCUBA (AL Boom, greatly enjoying it) and we have the usual list of things we want to do. Desert Safari, Tallest building tour, deep sea fishing, swim with Dolphins, etc. We will do them each once per month, until we leave. We also vow to travel to areas which are easier to get to, ,than going from the U.S.

So i promise you, if you ever meet up with me, you will not find an angry disgruntled American. i am truly happy that I am alive and have a job. I am glad for my families health (or dealing with health issues, I should say). But that said, we just gave up too much to come here and regreet the move.

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