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Hi JB1903, i have been in the same position as you last June when I was offered a position in Dubai. I have two kids: 2 and 4 and we are a mixed Dutch/Indonesian family. My package was a but better than yours with a housing budget of 168k which was really just enough for a three bedroom house in the Arabian Ranches, where we now live. School budget for Dubai should be minimum 35k per child or, if you arrive later in the school season when moat schools will be full, it should be flexible as only sine very expensive schools may have a spot for your five year old. Sharjah should be cheaper than Dubai though. I have a friend who works for an engineering company in Ajman and he chose to live in a huge villa with private beach in Ras Al Khaimah. A bit of a drive every day but he loves it there as everything is cheap. Dubai is a bit overrated and very overpriced, so living outside of Dubai offers much better value for money. I must say that Sharjah is a pretty clean and nice place though, but laws are strict and alcohol is not allowed. Do a lot of research before you decide and negotiate a better package, it should also include rent increase to be paid by the company.
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Sharjah is a pretty clean and nice place though.
Hmm. News to me.

The overall package value he's been offered is perfectly good. I don't know what the norms are for his industry and years of experience but companies in Sharjah usually offer packages based on the expenses of living in Sharjah (much lower) whereas he's being offered an overall package value based on Dubai expenses (is the company WSP?). The school allowance is low as is housing if he wants a villa but he can easily top up from his base salary.

While negotiations are always to be expected I'd be hesitant in asking too much from the employer given that engineers are a dime a dozen. One of the questions I'd ask the employer is whether the housing allowance can be paid in one cheque or it can only be paid monthly. Rents in Dubai come in anywhere from 1 to 4 cheques and landlords with villas are increasingly expecting 1 cheque.

By the way, Mirdiff would be ideal for someone working in Sharjah. Close to Sharjah, big expat community, several decent schools and lower cost of living than at Arabian Ranches. But what constitutes 'good' schools is entirely subjective and good luck with that


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Hi all

After 9 months of searching (one of which has actually been in Dubai) I finally secured a job offer. I'm uneasy about the package that I've been offered and after trawling through this thread and its predecessor I am even more confused about whether it is any good of any offer or not!

I work with HR - on the Talent Management/Training side of things
I have over 8 years experience in my field and have some really good names (companies I've worked for in the UK) on my CV.

The offer I received is:

PCM
Basic 13,000
Housing 4,750
Transport 1,350
Annual airfare 500

Total 19,500 PCM

I had set my expectations at around 25k package per month, so this is somewhat below that.
My question is - am I being greedy and is this actually a decent package or is it a bit weak and should I at least push for the basic to be upped to 15k?
I tried to negotiate and failed….they would't budge
I've now made the decision to decline the offer which I really hope is the right decision (the only reason I'm even worried that it might not be is that this is the first time in my working life that I've been unemployed and its now 6 weeks……..it goes against my hard work ethic to turn something down when I have nothing).

Thanks for all the advice and help. And fingers crossed I'm doing the right thing!

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While negotiations are always to be expected I'd be hesitant in asking too much from the employer given that engineers are a dime a dozen.
Say what?!
Like with any other profession, there are engineers, and there are "engineers". Latter ones are dime a dozen. Former ones... not as much.
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GW, everything happens for a reason and your decisions are not to be regretted. You never know what crosses your path in the coming days/weeks. Being in Dubai on a tight budget is certainly not any easier than being at home on a tight budget.

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Thank you everybody for your help and thoughts. I'm definitely going to go back to them on the accommodation allowance, and also the school allowance as my research in this area seem to indicate I need at least around AED 35000 if I want to keep my daughter in a British curriculum school (important if we end up coming home in the future) which the KHDA rate as 'good' and isn't in Jebel Ali! I'll also query the bonus element as well.

I'm in a good position here, well paid and we have a comfortable life. The driver for considering the move is my career development and also the experience of living abroad for my family, but it's got to be the right package for us. I'd like to think I'm an engineer not an "engineer" so I have no issues with going back and asking for what I think we need. If there is no room for negotiation then we have a decision to make, but having been to Dubai on holiday would probably just look to get out there with someone else.

Incidentally what are people's views on areas like Jumeirah, Jumeirah Village and the Springs?
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...What on earth is a guaranteed bonus? If it is truly guaranteed, it is not a bonus...
my joint does the same thing... its just another way of dodging EOS...

instead of calling it an allowance its just another lump sum payment given in one or two installments, and they end up calling it a guaranteed bonus... its usually a multiple of basic and is a fixed amount, just like a housing allowance...

its not usually given to everyone, generally people above a certain grade get it...

on top of this, there is either an annual performance bonus, which is the true bonus in the sense of the word, and/or profit sharing bonus, depending on how the specific company decides to dole it out...

if you think that's strange, you should look at my contract... i get a "hardship supplement" and a "notable qualifications supplement"... the locals in my joint get a supplement for NOT going to Hajj that year, and in the year they DO go for Hajj, get a Hajj bonus...

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Thank you everybody for your help and thoughts. I'm definitely going to go back to them on the accommodation allowance, and also the school allowance as my research in this area seem to indicate I need at least around AED 35000 if I want to keep my daughter in a British curriculum school (important if we end up coming home in the future) which the KHDA rate as 'good' and isn't in Jebel Ali! I'll also query the bonus element as well.

I'm in a good position here, well paid and we have a comfortable life. The driver for considering the move is my career development and also the experience of living abroad for my family, but it's got to be the right package for us. I'd like to think I'm an engineer not an "engineer" so I have no issues with going back and asking for what I think we need. If there is no room for negotiation then we have a decision to make, but having been to Dubai on holiday would probably just look to get out there with someone else.

Incidentally what are people's views on areas like Jumeirah, Jumeirah Village and the Springs?
this is the UAE... there is ALWAYS room for negotiation... in fact, its expected...

as vantage says, focus on your TOTAL package rather then getting hung up on the allowances...

in many companies, the allowances such as housing and education are directly tied to the grade a person is hired in and is a standard amount for that grade... so if you were to ask for a higher allowance and they say no, it could just be that for the grade they will put you in, that is the allocated amount, and companies will not negotiate for a higher amount...

if that's the case, you should try to negotiate either a higher grade (which is unlikely to happen, as in most places the grade is directly tied to the position) or a higher base salary (which is ALWAYS negotiable)... but don't throw up your hands because they say they wont move on the allowances...
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if you think that's strange, you should look at my contract... i get a "hardship supplement" and a "notable qualifications supplement"... the locals in my joint get a supplement for NOT going to Hajj that year, and in the year they DO go for Hajj, get a Hajj bonus...
hope you tabled your 25m swimming badge and cycling proficiency etc for a notable quals supplement!

The Hajj supplement is a real winner! love it!

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Hi, I am in a major fix. I have been offered the following at present

6 months probation - AED15000 plus Company Perks as below
• Medical insurance for family
• Fixed mobile allowance per month
• Yearly air ticket for family
• Company gratuity as per UAE rules
• Parking allowance as per company policy

Also there will be variable part of 3000 per month as it is a sales job.

Post probabtion, Fixed will be 17000 per month, rest all remain the same.

I have around 8 years of experience and am working with a large MNC in India. My wife and I, we both earn. We also have a dog and planning for a kid in next one year. Post delivery I am planning to move them to Dubai, so for next 2 years my wife will not be working, be in India or in Dubai.

In India, we both earn around Rs.1,40,000 (AED8239) per month after taxes in fixed apart from incentives. I alone get around Rs.95000 (AED5500) in hand. Do you think it is a wise option to move to Dubai with offered package?


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