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Thanks Vantage. Schooling for 2 only at 35k per child and had to push for this as they stated they didnt provide schooling anymore. Medical cover for entire family is provided including housing at 210k, basic 43k, car 4k, flights 1.3k monthly. Seems a strange one to exclude to me!
to be honest, it's not whether it is included or not, but whether the TOTAL works for you.
All in, it looks good!
All in at over 70,000 / month
(wanna swap?!)


dont know what age your children are, but you are looking at 40,000 - 50,000 P/A for decent Primary, and north of that for secondary...
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Hey all, first time post here.

I am going to Dubai on the 13th of Aug for a final interview/medical for a Dubai based aviation job. I have searched quite a few forums etc to see what the cost of living is compared to my home country (south africa) and have a rough idea.

What I would like to find out though, is what other people who have made the move feel about living in Dubai and what their impressions are of the cost of living compared to back home (south africa if possible).

I currently live in Durban and earn a pretty good salary i think (clear approx equivalent of AED17500 + p/m after tax). The salary on offer in Dubai will be AED41k p/m which includes a housing allowance of +- 13k and also an amount of +-8k depending on how much I work every month. That salary should go up to +- AED56k p/m in about 2 years after joining. School fees are covered up to 40k per yr per child for primary school and 60k per child for senior school for 3 children. (42 day leave/ticket home every yr for family/medical insurance also covered)

I am personally very keen on the move to Dubai and I am married and have 2 young kids (5 and 2) with number 3 (and last...) on the way in December.. My wife is also keen on moving to Dubai but I want to make sure that we will at the very least be able to have the same, if not better, standard of living in Dubai. I am looking at Arabian Ranches at the moment for a place to rent, but see there is not much available for less than AED200k per yr. I am aware we will probably have to get a smaller house than we have now in South Africa but that is fine with me. Our kids future is also a big part of our decision to look at Dubai and try to give them a better starting point than if we stayed in SA.

What I would also like to find out is some expenses like general/car insurance that I cant really seem to find prices for online, as well as other "hidden" expenses not readily visible.

Thanks in advance for helping me make a difficult decision easier!

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Hi everyone!

I've received an offer to relocate to Dubai with the following compensation:

Basic salary: 10,620 AED
Living Allowance: 7,080 AED
Flight Ticket Allowance: 300 AED

The total of 18,000 AED per month.

I'm married with no children, and my wife is unnemployed. We're pretty low-profile, with not much interest on night life, but looking for quality of life and security.

Is that a reasonable offer?

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Hi everyone!

I've received an offer to relocate to Dubai with the following compensation:

Basic salary: 10,620 AED
Living Allowance: 7,080 AED
Flight Ticket Allowance: 300 AED

The total of 18,000 AED per month.

I'm married with no children, and my wife is unnemployed. We're pretty low-profile, with not much interest on night life, but looking for quality of life and security.

Is that a reasonable offer?
Hi, That will be low as an offer if you looking for savings. Let me share some very basic expenses for you.

This is for a 1 BHK or maybe even a 2 BHK in Sharjah / Al Qusais / Silicon Oasis etc
All # in AED per Yr 1BHK - 2BHK
House rental 60,000
brokerage 3,000
chiller -
dewa at 5% of rent 3,000
actual dewa 3,600
Internet + tv 3,588
Grocery 10,400
Travel / Car -
Metro 2,640
Eat Out 5,200
Travel to home - Flight
Shopping /credit card / Misc
International travel
Cell phone bill 1,200
Total Expenses (yearly) 92,628

Monthly expenses 7,719

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And now for a more expensive 2 BHK (2 bedroom apartment)

All # in AED per Yr 2bhk
House rental 100,000
brokerage 5,000
chiller -
dewa at 5% of rent 5,000
actual dewa 4,800
Internet + tv 3,588
Grocery 10,400
Travel / Car 24,000
Metro -
Eat Out 10,400
Travel to home - Flight
Shopping /credit card / Misc
International travel
Cell phone bill 1,200
Total Expenses 164,388
Monthly expenses 13,699


And these are the comments for the above. Apologise for pasting 2 different posts, but I wanted to differentiate between the two.

House rental: From Al nadha to Motor City. Looking at Sharjah the rental comes down further to around 40k. Travel time is 45-90 mins one way from Sharjah (depends on office locn)
brokerage: Can be zero if taken from landlord directly. Is a one time cost
chiller: Depends on the building you stay in. Can be AED 200 a month or maybe much higher
fixed dewa: at 5% of rent Fixed % of rent to be paid to Dubai Electric and Water association every year
actual dewa: Basis actual usage. Can be as low as 300 AED for a 2 bedroom apartment, However including the 5% Dewa charges (above) it will come to AED 600 a month
Internet + tv: Unlimited Internet and certain TV channels and a landline connection. Etisalat has a package for AED 299 a month
Grocery: Assume atleast AED 100-200 per week for shopping for groceries from Carrefour / Spinneys. Of course depends on your actual consumption
Travel / Car: AED 2000 per month for car loan and fuel for 5 years OR a used car will be AED 1000 per month (you can pick up a 5-6 year old BMW 3 series with AGMC service for AED 70k or a used Corrola for 40k)
Metro/ Train: one way Metro train ticket ranges from AED 1.8 to AED 5.4
Eat Out: Meal varies from AED 10 to AED 100 pp (KFC / Ravi to a sit down meal). Assume weekend will be eating at malls and maybe once a month eating in a restaurant
Travel to home - Flight: Up to you to fill this up
Shopping /credit card / Misc: Up to you to fill this up
International travel/ Vacation: Up to you to fill this up
Cell phone bill: Covered by company ?

I have just covered some of the basics. The above are indicative but are definitely manageable within that range as well. These expense do not mean that one will have a very restrictive lifestyle. There is of course no splurging but it can be comfortable to have a decent life for the expense I mentioned. You will need to factor in how much you shop / eat out / travel etc.


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Hi everyone!

I've received an offer to relocate to Dubai with the following compensation:

Basic salary: 10,620 AED
Living Allowance: 7,080 AED
Flight Ticket Allowance: 300 AED

The total of 18,000 AED per month.

I'm married with no children, and my wife is unnemployed. We're pretty low-profile, with not much interest on night life, but looking for quality of life and security.

Is that a reasonable offer?
We're married with no kids and I'm on something similiar.

We have two holidays a year and I put 30% of my salary into a pension.

We're not rich by many people on here's standards, but we live quite well (eat out whenever etc).

Depends if you want that 'Dubai lifestyle' bollocks.

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Hi Expats, my first post here, lot of excellent information and discussion on salary and package on this forum, I was hoping to run my info on package to get your opinion to make a decision;

My background:

IT; 15yr experience, making 150k (yearly)
family of 5
2 school going 9 and 5 , 1 baby
wife's full time jobs = kids.

What's the opportunity, in AED:

Package (annual figures):

Relocation budget: 35k
Visa for the Family
1 month settling rent / hotel / car
Housing: 90k
Car: 24k
kids Education: 27k to 32K (age dependent, on top of the package, basically you get reimbursed by giving receipts )
Medical: Covered
Dental: No
Vacations: 6 wks
Home visit: 1 with Family / yr (fully paid by company)
Base Salary: 342k
Variable pay: 65k - 90k (min - max)
Vendor location: Jumeirah Lakes Towers - though not necessarily will be in office daily, requires client visits and travel to other emirates countries.

I'm hoping you can comment on whether this is enough for the following;

3 or 4 bdr villa "preferably" near new Dubai or an apartment (3 -4 bdr) with total area (living space) ~ 2500 - 3500 sq ft.
1 SUV (nothing flashy i.e. German cars) but can live on a car for initial 1 yr.
Good schooling - it's an area which is subjective to what is good? But School of Choueifat will do fine for me, realizing American schools are almost 50k per kid and I don't know if they are "really" superior or it's a name brand illution.
My Life Style: Conservative but like to take kids out ( 2 or 3 times a month for dining (normal not fine dinning).
Maid: for few hours to do the home chores day i.e. not a full time maid.
Hope to save: 85k - 100k yearly.

My thought process tells me it's good enough if not a "wow" package but my housing is low. If you agree then how much I should ask for a bump?

There is a possibility to get 5-10% raise next year.

Comments welcome and apologies in advanced since I know this question has been asked my times but I still got to ask :-)

Thanks.
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assume the education akllowance is per child (for all three?) some cap at 2 children..
yes, housing is low for a 3/4 bed villa.
add up the TOTAL package, and see where that puts you.
it looks like you will have a TOTAL package, when all three are at school, of around 600,000 / annum
be careful with the variable pay. is it genuinely a minimum of 65K, regardless?
be careful with the 5-10% annual raise. don't count on it, until you get it!

yes, you can survive on this, and yes you'll have to be careful.
Yes, you can save 100,000 / year.
Don't expect to save this much in year 1.

it will ALL depend on your personal lifestyle choices (where you live, what you drive, your grocery bill expectations, tc etc etc)

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Hi Expats, my first post here, lot of excellent information and discussion on salary and package on this forum, I was hoping to run my info on package to get your opinion to make a decision;

My background:

IT; 15yr experience, making 150k (yearly)
family of 5
2 school going 9 and 5 , 1 baby
wife's full time jobs = kids.

What's the opportunity, in AED:

Package (annual figures):

Relocation budget: 35k
Visa for the Family
1 month settling rent / hotel / car
Housing: 90k
Car: 24k
kids Education: 27k to 32K (age dependent, on top of the package, basically you get reimbursed by giving receipts )
Medical: Covered
Dental: No
Vacations: 6 wks
Home visit: 1 with Family / yr (fully paid by company)
Base Salary: 342k
Variable pay: 65k - 90k (min - max)
Vendor location: Jumeirah Lakes Towers - though not necessarily will be in office daily, requires client visits and travel to other emirates countries.

I'm hoping you can comment on whether this is enough for the following;

3 or 4 bdr villa "preferably" near new Dubai or an apartment (3 -4 bdr) with total area (living space) ~ 2500 - 3500 sq ft.
1 SUV (nothing flashy i.e. German cars) but can live on a car for initial 1 yr.
Good schooling - it's an area which is subjective to what is good? But School of Choueifat will do fine for me, realizing American schools are almost 50k per kid and I don't know if they are "really" superior or it's a name brand illution.
My Life Style: Conservative but like to take kids out ( 2 or 3 times a month for dining (normal not fine dinning).
Maid: for few hours to do the home chores day i.e. not a full time maid.
Hope to save: 85k - 100k yearly.

My thought process tells me it's good enough if not a "wow" package but my housing is low. If you agree then how much I should ask for a bump?

There is a possibility to get 5-10% raise next year.

Comments welcome and apologies in advanced since I know this question has been asked my times but I still got to ask :-)

Thanks.

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Hi Expats, my first post here, lot of excellent information and discussion on salary and package on this forum, I was hoping to run my info on package to get your opinion to make a decision;

My background:

IT; 15yr experience, making 150k (yearly)
family of 5
2 school going 9 and 5 , 1 baby
wife's full time jobs = kids.

What's the opportunity, in AED:

Package (annual figures):

Relocation budget: 35k
Visa for the Family
1 month settling rent / hotel / car
Housing: 90k
Car: 24k
kids Education: 27k to 32K (age dependent, on top of the package, basically you get reimbursed by giving receipts )
Medical: Covered
Dental: No
Vacations: 6 wks
Home visit: 1 with Family / yr (fully paid by company)
Base Salary: 342k
Variable pay: 65k - 90k (min - max)
Vendor location: Jumeirah Lakes Towers - though not necessarily will be in office daily, requires client visits and travel to other emirates countries.

I'm hoping you can comment on whether this is enough for the following;

3 or 4 bdr villa "preferably" near new Dubai or an apartment (3 -4 bdr) with total area (living space) ~ 2500 - 3500 sq ft.
1 SUV (nothing flashy i.e. German cars) but can live on a car for initial 1 yr.
Good schooling - it's an area which is subjective to what is good? But School of Choueifat will do fine for me, realizing American schools are almost 50k per kid and I don't know if they are "really" superior or it's a name brand illution.
My Life Style: Conservative but like to take kids out ( 2 or 3 times a month for dining (normal not fine dinning).
Maid: for few hours to do the home chores day i.e. not a full time maid.
Hope to save: 85k - 100k yearly.

My thought process tells me it's good enough if not a "wow" package but my housing is low. If you agree then how much I should ask for a bump?

There is a possibility to get 5-10% raise next year.

Comments welcome and apologies in advanced since I know this question has been asked my times but I still got to ask :-)

Thanks.
Overall ,it is a nice package though your housing is low for a family of five. Companies, especially non Western companies are not really trust worthy when it comes to commission and bonuses. Make sure you have it in writing.

These are the allowances I personally think you are bit tight on:

Housing: 90k - You will find it hard for find a villa in that range closer to JLT.
Car: 24k - Car is fine but no SUV. Also what about the gas?
kids Education: 27k to 32K - It depends upon the school, to me it looks tight.

Now, if you get min 65K per annum as you have stated, that give you another 6-7K per month.

With regards to relocation allowance, you can look into getting the allowance and spending it buying everything here.

One of my friend did it as he was paid for the relocation allowance back to Canada also. I am doing the same, investing in good stuff here and taking back majority of the stuff.

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Mclovin oo7 and vantage, thanks for your feedback and suggestions. Yes, I agree I can't count on the variable pay. Car allowance is fixed no fuel on top. However, if I drive to client location then I can reimburse the mileage, toll etc. The housing package is the deal breaker for me and I don't see them increasing that value much if at all! I certainly don't want to live far away from main area and spend hours commuting to office etc. I live in a good house and apartment living is not for us. Decision, decision.....

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