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The reason you probably didn't get many responses is that it's a package offer that can be generous or insufficient depending on your needs and expenditures.

The truth is you can live on it with some comfort.

Best is a 2-bed flat in JLT or the Greens or even the Marina. A family 4x4. Comfortable budget for food and entertainment, especially if you shop at Carrefour and don't go out every night. Some travel. And still save a bit of money.

But if you want a villa, two nice cars, fancy holidays at fancy resorts, dining out all the time, the money will disappear very quickly.


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Apologies for continuously asking but i didnt receive many replies for my offer. I have asked for an extension on my decision.

so without typing it all out again. 35k Dirhams a month. married with a baby. wife will not be working. flights home for family, 85% school fees paid etc

Is this a good salary for IT Project Manager with 7 years experience.
Will we live a good life and save?

This is a huge decision and would appreciate all feedback

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One should always negotiate, but in your case I don't think you'll be able to negotiate up to a livable package.

The issue is that it's a media company, a locally owned media company, and odds are it's dominated by people from Lebanon or elsewhere in the Middle East where the offer made to you is a fortune.

Companies in Dubai vary enormously in packages offered and it's largely because of the types of companies we have here, which run from western owned multinationals to small locally owned two-man outfits in a free zone. The multinationals and the big local monopolies can pay very well, the locally owned small companies, less so, and are often more likely than not to stiff you on agreed benefits. Incomes also vary wildly for the same roles and is often dependent on your nationality.

If I had a family with children I would never move here to to head a small locally owned company that I didn't own, especially on the package offer you received, unless I knew the company intimately and was very comfortable with the current team and owners. Otherwise it's way too risky as there's little in the way of employee rights. One bad quarter, you could be out on your ears and yet you've uprooted your family and moved all the way from Canada. You'd be surprised at how many people leave Dubai with less money than they'd arrived with.

You may be from Canada but this is the wild, wild west!

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Curious - is it 'EXPECTED' to negotiate a package from a Dubai company? Obviously I would always negotiate an offer, but curious if there is a cultural thing here for Dubai and negotiating business?

I've heard everything in UAE is negotiated, which I'm not a fan being Canadian. But specific to the employment package, I'm curious from locals what the business sentiment is around negotiating packages? Common, absolutely expect, etc.

Just noting I received a package offer from a dubai local company, after weeks of interviews, the package offer was shocking low, which as a Canadian I first become insulted! In Canada, while there is some negotiating, its generally expected business is a win-win and a fair offer is usually placed first, not a dirt low offer...but then again, I question is this a common practice in Dubai to negotiate in business where the 'expectation' is the first offer will be far to one side?

Locals? Thoughts?
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One should always negotiate, but in your case I don't think you'll be able to negotiate up to a livable package.

The issue is that it's a media company, a locally owned media company, and odds are it's dominated by people from Lebanon or elsewhere in the Middle East where the offer made to you is a fortune.

Companies in Dubai vary enormously in packages offered and it's largely because of the types of companies we have here, which run from western owned multinationals to small locally owned two-man outfits in a free zone. The multinationals and the big local monopolies can pay very well, the locally owned small companies, less so, and are often more likely than not to stiff you on agreed benefits. Incomes also vary wildly for the same roles and is often dependent on your nationality.

If I had a family with children I would never move here to to head a small locally owned company that I didn't own, especially on the package offer you received, unless I knew the company intimately and was very comfortable with the current team and owners. Otherwise it's way too risky as there's little in the way of employee rights. One bad quarter, you could be out on your ears and yet you've uprooted your family and moved all the way from Canada. You'd be surprised at how many people leave Dubai with less money than they'd arrived with.

You may be from Canada but this is the wild, wild west!
Thanks for the reply. Appreciated. The company, I cannot say due to confidentiality, but it is a medium sized (est. 200 people), and not 'agency' side, but it is an online company. Your points make sense, and will definately negotiate, but more curious about the business culture too if its a truly expected part of the song and dance to negotiate, especially as someone mentioned to me everything in Dubai you have to negotiate.

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I recently got a one year consulting contract (for software testing) in Dubai, for 25k pay (no other indemnities) and one vacation fly-back to Canada. What are your thoughts? Decent offer for a young couple with no kids just starting out?

Edit: For reference, I currently make 70k CAD per year.
sounds low to me

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sounds low to me

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Hi,
I recently got a one year consulting contract (for software testing) in Dubai, for 25k pay (no other indemnities) and one vacation fly-back to Canada. What are your thoughts? Decent offer for a young couple with no kids just starting out?

Edit: For reference, I currently make 70k CAD per year.
sounds low to me

Thanks Milady!

I was in the process of negotiations and manage to get them up to د.إ.‏ 30,000.00 / month

Based on digging through previous posts...put the following numbers together to use as 'ballparking' running monthly expenses:

-------------Monthly------------
Rent-------د.إ.‏ 8,500.00
Car--------د.إ.4,000.00
Furniture--د.إ.‏ 20,000.00 (Yearly)
Internet---د.إ.‏ 1,000.00
Insurance-د.إ.‏ 2,000.00
Groceries--د.إ.‏ 4,000.00
Electricity--د.إ.‏ 1,000.00
Eating out-د.إ.‏ 2,800.00
------------------------------------

This is for a young couple (no kids...yet!), living somewhere in the JLT/Downtown Dubai area with a decent car.


Please let me know if this makes sense

Thanks!
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Thanks Milady!

I was in the process of negotiations and manage to get them up to د.إ.‏ 30,000.00 / month

Based on digging through previous posts...put the following numbers together to use as 'ballparking' running monthly expenses:

-------------Monthly------------
Rent-------د.إ.‏ 8,500.00
Car--------د.إ.4,000.00
Furniture--د.إ.‏ 20,000.00 (Yearly)
Internet---د.إ.‏ 1,000.00
Insurance-د.إ.‏ 2,000.00
Groceries--د.إ.‏ 4,000.00
Electricity--د.إ.‏ 1,000.00
Eating out-د.إ.‏ 2,800.00
------------------------------------

This is for a young couple (no kids...yet!), living somewhere in the JLT/Downtown Dubai area with a decent car.


Please let me know if this makes sense

Thanks!
Hi SLEO! Congratulations on the offer. I've worked in the software testing field for the last 9 years, fairly new here in Dubai (on my 5th month here) and is starting to look for a job in the same field. I do hope I'd be able to find one soon…and maybe, when you're with them, you can share with me (and to the others around here as well in the same field) any openings they might have in the future.

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Thanks Milady! I was in the process of negotiations and manage to get them up to د.إ.‏ 30,000.00 / month Based on digging through previous posts...put the following numbers together to use as 'ballparking' running monthly expenses: -------------Monthly------------ Rent-------د.إ.‏ 8,500.00 Car--------د.إ.4,000.00 Furniture--د.إ.‏ 20,000.00 (Yearly) Internet---د.إ.‏ 1,000.00 Insurance-د.إ.‏ 2,000.00 Groceries--د.إ.‏ 4,000.00 Electricity--د.إ.‏ 1,000.00 Eating out-د.إ.‏ 2,800.00 ------------------------------------ This is for a young couple (no kids...yet!), living somewhere in the JLT/Downtown Dubai area with a decent car. Please let me know if this makes sense Thanks!
Why is your furniture budget yearly? What are you planning to do to it!
I spend a lot less than that on food for 4. Especially if you have an eating out budget separately.

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Why is your furniture budget yearly? What are you planning to do to it!
I spend a lot less than that on food for 4. Especially if you have an eating out budget separately.
Lol....I was just estimating how much it would cost to set up an apartment (basic stuff like a bed, sofa some chairs...that kinda thing). The main reason is me and the Mrs. would not take any furniture with us...and this budget is primarily for the first year.

Besides the furniture, how does the estimate measure up....kind of in the ballpark of what we can expect?

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Hello All, new to the forum and currently looking to relocate to Dubai with my wife and 17 year old. Question is: I know companies offer school allowances for children but do they offer college tuition for recent high school graduated kids who want to go to college in Dubai? Thanks for the help

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School fees, yes, although not always and getting less common.

College tuition, no.

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