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I would have thought it common sense to say that poorly-behaved children tend to learn less than well-behaved children because the latter pay attention to their lessons.
Not necessarily, they could be listening to their iPods, texting or asleep, as used to happen in some of the classes my children attended. The teachers didn't care so long as they were quiet .

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And while there are some difficulties in making comparisons in "soft" subjects like English literature, they would be easy in other subjects such as maths and English literacy. Either one knows Pythagoras theorum or one doesn't; likewise, vocabulary and sentence construction can surely be compared quite easily, especially where two countries use the same language. Taking a pinch of salt is all very well, but it doesn't involve throwing the dish away.
I think an international test marked by external assessors is still the best way to compare between countries. The nearest is the University of Cambridge International A & AS Exams.

Knowing pythagoras is one thing but knowing when and how to use it is another.

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That would only allow a meaningful comparison between pupils who had studied its syllabus. It would exclude the vast majority of NZ pupils and a good many UK pupils too (all Scots for example).

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Hello everyone. Myself and my family are thinking of emigrating to New Zealand so it is very early days in the process but would like to hear what people think of the cost of living out there as that is a big factor in us moving out there. Cost of diesel here currently 1.28 at some petrol stations!!!! Home sickness is also a big concern although I appreciate something most people must go through so any suggestions, experiences I would love to hear about. Any stories and experiences of emigrating to NZ in general would be very helpful. Many thanks in advance everyone.
You want to move because of the price of fuel??? Oh wow - yes fuel is dear here but I think every country is going to see the rise in fuel prices unfortunately. Also our taxes are a lot lower than most countries - so the money has to obtained in other ways. I live in the UK and through hard work have achieved a very high standard of living and have a lovely home in the countryside (not bragging). A very high standard which has allowed us to buy outright a 2 bed apartment with garage for the children as they are at the same university - one on a DEng and one studying enivormental. Where ever you go, hard work is the only way to achieve a good standard of living. As for education, a good school is a good school, its up to you as parents to encourage and support your children and up to your children to work hard. Moving to another country will not change your attitude - you either have it or don't. If you don't have the right attitude then your life will continue in the same vein where ever you live. Good luck!!!

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To sum up, New Zealand is beautiful and it is worth living there

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My husband and I just left NZ 2 weeks ago after living there for 11 months and we are now back living in Canada. I was born in the UK, but married a Canadian. I lived in the UK until I got married in 1986, lived in Canada until 2007 and then we moved back to the UK. My husband has the right to live and work in the UK. We spent 7 months in the UK and in March 2008 hubby saw a job advertised by an Accredited Employer in NZ. (Google Accredited Employers for a list of employers who sponsor people to move to NZ)

Our experience living and working in NZ was an absolute nightmare and it would take me days to explain why, it was mainly related to work, so may I suggest that you look into the following points extremely carefully before you make the move.

Employment - Make sure the job is what they say it is. Many employers lure people to NZ with great job offers and it turns out that it is not what they are making it out to be. I had a freind who was a NZ Police Officer, he told us that the NZ Police are one of the worst offenders for doing this and another friend who was in the Prison Service said the same thing. Some employers will hire you and not pay you. (That was my job, worked and never got paid a penny.) Still trying to get the money via a debt collection agency, but that's another story. I was ripped off by 2 different employers to the tune of $15,000.

Doctor's - You will pay for every visit to the Doctor, it ranges between $40 & $60 per visit, depending on which Doctor you get. That's if you can get a Dr., to regsiter with, as there is a definite shortage. The health system is like it was in the UK about 30 years ago, it SUCKS! If you are on expensive medication they have to apply for a special number from the government so you can get the medication and if they say no, then you either can't have it, or you will need to pay full price for it.

Shopping - We found prices to be high, for both food and household items. Most NZ'rs buy stuff 2nd hand from Trade Me because they can't afford new things. Wages are low compared to what things cost. Amongst other things, a cooked chicken as big as your fist, costs $15.99. Yes, they really are that small. 3 Litres of milk is $6.79 and forget cheese. There are places like the Warehouse where you can get cheaper things, but most of it is imported from China and breaks within a few weeks, cheap tat, but you get what you pay for. Do your homework on prices and wages before you go.

Housing - Oh my gosh, we have lived in many Countries, but NZ has to have the worst housing in the world. It's just like living in a shed at the bottom of your garden. No heating, no insulation and no double glazing and for this you can pay $350 A WEEK, yes we did. I am not exagerating here, most of the garages in the UK are better heated and insulated than the houses in NZ. The 1st house we rented was only 7 years old, no heating whatsoever, little insulation and no double glazing. Double glazing has only just been introduced as a requirement for new builds this year, so houses pre 2009 do not have double glazing and houses are cold! Mould is common place in 90% of all houses because the condensation is incredible. You will need to run a dehumidifier constantly and we bought oil filled raditators for heat because they were the cheapest source of heating if there is no wood burner and our electricty bill for ONE MONTH was $400!

Cars & Insurance - Vehicles are expensive compared to the UK. A car which is 10 years old in the UK can be picked up for under 1000 pounds, the same car in NZ will cost you $5,000 and the mileage will be extremely high. You need a WOF, (warrant of fitness, which is the equivalent of an MOT) every 6 months at a cost of $55 each time. Car insurance is not mandatory, you don't have to have it and many people don't. If you do get it, it will cost you around $365 per year if you have full no claims bonuses, but take a letter of experience with you from your home Country or you won't get them.

Telephones, Internet and TV - Cell phones, not a lot of competition here. You have Telecom and Voadafone, both are expensive and sim cards will cost you approximately $35 to buy and then another $20 for the minutes. Most people in NZ text as it is cheaper. Landlines, Telecom charges 45 cents per minute for long distance calls within NZ, shudder to think what the per minute rates for overseas were. I never used them I used a VOIP program on the internet for all my calls and texts which was next to nothing. TV, if you don't have Sky you get about 6 channels, same as Freeview, you pay $350 for a freeview box and only get about 6 channels, what a rip off. I couldn't believe the price of the Freeview boxes, especially as UK Freeview boxes can be picked up for 25 quid. Internet, not cheap. I paid $80 month for my internet, you can get slightly cheaper packages, but it's still too expensive. Mostly DSL, only get cable internet in the bigger cities.

Utilities - Check out the real cost of electricity, gas, telephone, tv, internet before you go because none of these are cheap.

Crime - Considering there are only 4 million people in NZ, the crime rate is horrendous for such a small amount of people. Police are understaffed and crime is abundant. Petty crime is rife and you just don't realize how much crime there is until you live there. Even my friend who is a NZ Police Officer admits the crime rate is extremely high and I myself am an ex Canadian Police Officer and I know what high crime rates are. Many criminals get away with things because the Police don't have the manpower. Boy racers are all over the place too. Kids who race their cars up and down residential streets.

Weather - It depends on if you like rain or not. Maybe we were unlucky, but it seemed to rain constantly during the 11 months we were there. We had a few sunny days, nothing too hot, but the summer was nothing to rave about.

People seem to think that NZ is the land of milk and honey. Nowhere on this earth is there anywhere like that. Having lived in many different Countries there are problems with every Country in the world, good points and bad everywhere you go. People leave their homeland because they think they will get a better life somewhere else. Well, it doesn't matter where you live really, life is what you make of it. You can't change a Country, you have to live with whatever you get. NZ for us had more bad points than good, that is why we left, but for you it will probably be completely different. Heavens knows we certainly did not go for the money. We went because we heard stories of a better life and more freedom etc. It didn't work out for us, my husband's job was not what they said it would be and he was incredibly unhappy.

They often say "home is where the heart is" and this could not be more true. My heart is in the UK and for all it's faults, it's my 'home' and we will be returning there after hubby has finished his work here in Canada.

For anyone who is thinking of moving out of their own Country, please do lots of research before you go anywhere. It is so easy to be starry eyed because living in another Country sounds romantic. When you actually have to live there, it becomes a different story completely. I wish I could take all the good little bits of every Country I have lived in and make a whole Country out of them, but of course we can't do that. Just remember, the grass is not always greener on the other side. Statistics in NZ show that 1,000 people EVERY WEEK leave NZ to go to another Country and may people who do immigrate there from the UK, end up going back.
Wow, sounds like you havne't had a great time there, hey.

That's the problem with serial expats like ourselves (I lived long-term in Belgium, UK, Netherlands, and am now working on moving to Canada), we are eternally seeking the best of all the countries we've lived in, and feeling frustrated when it falls below that standard on one point or the other.

But undoubtedly, your experience sounds like it was bad across the board.

I was contemplating New Zealand too (am really having a hard time getting used to the Netherlands, and don't think I ever will), but your post is definitely making me a little cold feet.

Wheather, crime, cost of living... Thanks for sharing.

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My view is do it, make sure you have a reserve return fund in place, and go it's the only way to know, if you're thinking of emigrating then you're leaving for a reason, if you get there and life is the same or worse then the reason is you not the place, life is what you make it, most people leave because they aren't happy with their current life or feel like they're trapped stuck in a rut, moving to a different country changes your options it doesn't necessarily give you more, countries aren't flexible you can't change them to fit your life you have to change your life to fit the country, NZ is a completely different way of life embrace it or end up back in the rut but stuck in another country feeling even more trapped, if your open minded, adaptable and looking for a new life and a new adventure then emigrating will give you that, if you're just looking for something different, buy a dog.
But the thing is, you can't just "do it", especially with a family. If it doesn't work out, going back is really stressful, disruptive and costly.

Am really tempted to go full-steam ahead and move (from Netherlands to Canada, as it were, but I did contemplate NZ, hence my presence in this thread), but am having to slow myself down to make sure I think of every possible (and likely) nightmare scenario before moving head first. Am trying to make contacts with locals, fellow employees of the same company in Canada, fellow expats, etc.. To try to get the real human experiences.

Our own reasons for moving is that I moved to the Netherlands (from the UK) having done no research whatsoever (to move in with my boyfriend). I've regretted it ever since. I simply have not been able to adapt to the local mentality, and my social circle is mainly expats.

Canada (and New Zealand) sound fantastic on paper. But moving overseas isn't an impulse thing. Once bitten, twice shy, I say. Am now being a good girl and doing LOTS of research.


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But the thing is, you can't just "do it", especially with a family. If it doesn't work out, going back is really stressful, disruptive and costly.

Am really tempted to go full-steam ahead and move (from Netherlands to Canada, as it were, but I did contemplate NZ, hence my presence in this thread), but am having to slow myself down to make sure I think of every possible (and likely) nightmare scenario before moving head first. Am trying to make contacts with locals, fellow employees of the same company in Canada, fellow expats, etc.. To try to get the real human experiences.

Our own reasons for moving is that I moved to the Netherlands (from the UK) having done no research whatsoever (to move in with my boyfriend). I've regretted it ever since. I simply have not been able to adapt to the local mentality, and my social circle is mainly expats.

Canada (and New Zealand) sound fantastic on paper. But moving overseas isn't an impulse thing. Once bitten, twice shy, I say. Am now being a good girl and doing LOTS of research.


After reading all these comments on this page it is enough to put people off immigrating over to NZ,
But... we have good friends who live over in Auckland and also know others who have immigrated to other areas and have a lovely life, Yes maybe more expensive but somethings arent that much different and when you sit and work out the cost of things the exchange rate is not too bad and alot of things are affordable,
My friends have said 'you dont go to NZ to make it rich' You go for the lifestyle,
my friens live in a rented brick house, 3 beds, 1 bathroom, front and rear garden and decking and garage with 2 car space on drive, they pay $400 per week (so around 200 gbp)
They have an offer off sky tv for phone and internet and pay $70 for this, there food bill for 2 adults and 2 children is $1000 per month roughly (150 per week)
they both have cars and insurance is $28 each fortnight and inc breakdown cover too,
They have a doctor and found no problem finding one either, they pay around $18-$20 per visit though other areas are more expensive but a prescription costs are very cheap and they pay $3 which is only 1.50 !!! i pay 7.40 for mine !!! and someone else we know over there pays $1 per prescription so even cheaper and alot cheaper than the Uk,

Wages are lower shes a peadiactric nurse on $30 per hour and hes in heating on $28 per hour so less than the uk but they work much less hours too and have the stunning surroundings and friends to go home to and visit.

Were currently thinking of immigrating in the furture and they have adviced us on many things, Were not just jumping into it, were looking very closely at everything for us and our daughters and so far it looks so much better than the uk does.
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After reading all these comments on this page it is enough to put people off immigrating over to NZ,
But... we have good friends who live over in Auckland and also know others who have immigrated to other areas and have a lovely life, Yes maybe more expensive but somethings arent that much different and when you sit and work out the cost of things the exchange rate is not too bad and alot of things are affordable,
My friends have said 'you dont go to NZ to make it rich' You go for the lifestyle,
my friens live in a rented brick house, 3 beds, 1 bathroom, front and rear garden and decking and garage with 2 car space on drive, they pay $400 per week (so around 200 gbp)
They have an offer off sky tv for phone and internet and pay $70 for this, there food bill for 2 adults and 2 children is $1000 per month roughly (150 per week)
they both have cars and insurance is $28 each fortnight and inc breakdown cover too,
They have a doctor and found no problem finding one either, they pay around $18-$20 per visit though other areas are more expensive but a prescription costs are very cheap and they pay $3 which is only 1.50 !!! i pay 7.40 for mine !!! and someone else we know over there pays $1 per prescription so even cheaper and alot cheaper than the Uk,

Wages are lower shes a peadiactric nurse on $30 per hour and hes in heating on $28 per hour so less than the uk but they work much less hours too and have the stunning surroundings and friends to go home to and visit.

Were currently thinking of immigrating in the furture and they have adviced us on many things, Were not just jumping into it, were looking very closely at everything for us and our daughters and so far it looks so much better than the uk does.
It's a tough one, isn't it, 'country shopping'? As far as standards of living are concerned, that's kind of why I left the UK too. It is so expensive in the UK to have a half-decent house in a half-decent area. I figured it might be cheaper in mainland Europe.

I've not been to NZ, so I can't comment either way.

All am saying is, indeed research, research, research. I've lived to regret my impulsive move to the Netherlands.

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I've been here for 2 months now and wouldn't change a thing even with going through the earthquake a few weeks ago.

It's all down to your own individual situation and circumstances is the conclusion I've come to.

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I've been here for 2 months now and wouldn't change a thing even with going through the earthquake a few weeks ago.

It's all down to your own individual situation and circumstances is the conclusion I've come to.
Nice an expat happy with the place! You certainly hear a lot of negative points, though.

Have you felt the same as other contributors about:
1/ crime
2/ cost of living
3/ people unsympathetic
4/ terrible housing
5/ bad job market

We are still contemplating NZ as a fallback if Canada doesn't work out, but, I am scared away by all the negative comments. I'd value your expat views on the ones I name.

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