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I was unfortunate that I lodged an EOI (expression of interest) on 9th April 2020 and last EOI selection happened on 18th March 2020. Due to COVID 19 SMC EOI selection is suspended indefinitely till further notice. Any news of updates on when they might start EOI selection again soon? I have no hopes on Canada or AUS PR process and had my last hopes on NZ PR but with SM EOI selection suspended, my hopes have come crashing down. My age is 37+ and have just a year or two for any PR process.

One ray of hope is that NZ has recovered very nicely post COVID. But it remains to be seen when & if they will resume SMC EOI selection this year!

Anyone knows when the SMC EOI selection might start? Any contacts in NZ immigration that I can email to get this information?


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There is no news. The current NZ government have stated they are unlikely to notify of any changes to Immigration processes until at least after the next general election which is pencilled in for late September 2020.

If you submitted EOI after the last selections where made from the pool, there should be no reason why you cant ask INZ for your EOI to be removed (because they aren't currently processing them) and you receive a full refund.
You can then re-apply when INZ start processing again in the future whenever that may be.

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There is no news. The current NZ government have stated they are unlikely to notify of any changes to Immigration processes until at least after the next general election which is pencilled in for late September 2020.

If you submitted EOI after the last selections where made from the pool, there should be no reason why you cant ask INZ for your EOI to be removed (because they aren't currently processing them) and you receive a full refund.
You can then re-apply when INZ start processing again in the future whenever that may be.
I don't want refunds. I can wait. Only fear is that it might not be a simple resuming of SMC. What if they increase points threshold from 160 to 170 etc! That's what I am worried about! They might come up with new policy with higher threshold, and I would be missing an ITA by a month because last draw happened in March and I submitted in April

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I don't want refunds. I can wait. Only fear is that it might not be a simple resuming of SMC. What if they increase points threshold from 160 to 170 etc! That's what I am worried about! They might come up with new policy with higher threshold, and I would be missing an ITA by a month because last draw happened in March and I submitted in April
Shouldnt matter to you. The rules Immigration have to apply to each application are the ones in force at the time of EOI submission so any future changes shouldnt affect you if you keep it in there. Not sure what happens with the EOI remaining in the pool though. Usually after 6 months if they aren't selected they are removed but in your case the process has been postponed so I'd hope the clock stopped for your EOI and will start ticking again when Immigration start the process again. Your only issue seems to be the unknown waiting time and unfortunately nobody knows how long that will be.

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Shouldnt matter to you. The rules Immigration have to apply to each application are the ones in force at the time of EOI submission so any future changes shouldnt affect you if you keep it in there. Not sure what happens with the EOI remaining in the pool though. Usually after 6 months if they aren't selected they are removed but in your case the process has been postponed so I'd hope the clock stopped for your EOI and will start ticking again when Immigration start the process again. Your only issue seems to be the unknown waiting time and unfortunately nobody knows how long that will be.
Are you effectively saying that even if a new policy with increased threshold comes with say 170 instead of 160points, since my EOI is already in the pool, my application would get picked up even though I have 165 points, even when new cutoff is 170?

The rules Immigration have to apply to each application are the ones in force at the time of EOI submission so any future changes shouldnt affect you if you keep it in there. Is there any official documentation that says this? Can you point me to that?

I might be arguing against my own case but how is that possible? Until the profile is picked up and issued ITS (invitation to apply) the latest rules will apply right? If cutoff increases to 170, my profile will still get picked up with 165points just because EOI is in the pool? Does't make any sense. Help me understand please, very worried.

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Are you effectively saying that even if a new policy with increased threshold comes with say 170 instead of 160points, since my EOI is already in the pool, my application would get picked up even though I have 165 points, even when new cutoff is 170?

The rules Immigration have to apply to each application are the ones in force at the time of EOI submission so any future changes shouldnt affect you if you keep it in there. Is there any official documentation that says this? Can you point me to that?

I might be arguing against my own case but how is that possible? Until the profile is picked up and issued ITS (invitation to apply) the latest rules will apply right? If cutoff increases to 170, my profile will still get picked up with 165points just because EOI is in the pool? Does't make any sense. Help me understand please, very worried.
Yup.
The rules, regulations and processes used by Immigration for all visas are the ones in force at the date/time of visa submission. Once any visa application is formally started the rules adopted are locked in. This is why approved Immigration advisors tell candidates to submit without delay to prevent the risk of the goal posts moving and you then not meeting the revised criteria.
Dont know where it is written bit it will be somewhere.
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The rules, regulations and processes used by Immigration for all visas are the ones in force at the date/time of visa submission. Once any visa application is formally started the rules adopted are locked in. This is why approved Immigration advisors tell candidates to submit without delay to prevent the risk of the goal posts moving and you then not meeting the revised criteria.
Dont know where it is written bit it will be somewhere.
Sorry to seem like I am arguing against my own side, but in Canada or Australia PR process, people sit in the pool with a score and at any date when selection happens, the the cut-off score on that date decides who gets selected from the pool. Isn't NZ pool selection the same? Are you sure NZ pool selection is different from Canada or Australia pool selection?

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Sorry to seem like I am arguing against my own side, but in Canada or Australia PR process, people sit in the pool with a score and at any date when selection happens, the the cut-off score on that date decides who gets selected from the pool. Isn't NZ pool selection the same? Are you sure NZ pool selection is different from Canada or Australia pool selection?
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Sorry to seem like I am arguing against my own side, but in Canada or Australia PR process, people sit in the pool with a score and at any date when selection happens, the the cut-off score on that date decides who gets selected from the pool. Isn't NZ pool selection the same? Are you sure NZ pool selection is different from Canada or Australia pool selection?
Yeah I understand what you're saying and maybe I was confused with the question.
I'd agree that yes the rules used by Immigration will be the ones in force on the date of EOI selection and not on the date you submitted EOI.
However, the period between submission date and selection date shouldnt be more than 2 weeks, therefore the rules will rarely be different.
I say this as people shouldnt be submitting EOI with less than 160 points, therefore selection would be automatic on the next selection date which is every 2 weeks (normally).
Submitting EOI with less than 160 is a complete waste of time and money as the EOI will never be selected.

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Yeah I understand what you're saying and maybe I was confused with the question.
I'd agree that yes the rules used by Immigration will be the ones in force on the date of EOI selection and not on the date you submitted EOI.
However, the period between submission date and selection date shouldnt be more than 2 weeks, therefore the rules will rarely be different.
I say this as people shouldnt be submitting EOI with less than 160 points, therefore selection would be automatic on the next selection date which is every 2 weeks (normally).
Submitting EOI with less than 160 is a complete waste of time and money as the EOI will never be selected.
But the thing is, my EOI is already in the pool with 165 points(submitted in April) but selection is paused. Now what if they increase the cutoff of selection from 160 to 170 whenever they next resume selection? Then, in the next draw, my EOI wont be selected, right?

So if they change the cutoff points to 170 from next draw onwards, my EOI wont get selected right?


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