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Hi,

I have a question related with job offer from NZ employers. Does it mandatory to get job offer? I mean for NZ skilled migration program EOI, I can get 160 points however I have not job offer.
Please clarify this point.

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Dear Escapedtonz

Regarding to what you have mentioned

It is unlikely you will be able to score sufficient points on the EOI without a job offer. If you can, you MUST have either "NZ study experience OR NZ work experience to qualify for RV" Without either or a job offer you CANNOT be approved for RV.

The best you could hope for would be a Job Search visa allowing the principal applicant only to travel to NZ to get a job offer.


My question is

How much points someone should collect to be sufficient for RV and not Job Search visa?

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My question is

How much points someone should collect to be sufficient for RV and not Job Search visa?
ALL skilled migrant applications MUST have at least 160 points on the Eoi to guarantee selection from the Eoi pool. Any less and the Eoi will simply not be selected.
It then doesn't matter how many points 160 or above the Eoi has.......if you don't have a job offer, or qualifying nz work experience, or qualifying nz study experience you will not be approved RV and in this case you may only get JSV.

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Dear Escapedtonz,

Thanks for your reply.

The Job Search visa allowing the principal applicant only to travel to NZ to get a job offer. Correct?

How about if the my partner has (equal chance or maybe more) to get job than the me (principal applicant)??

By giving the JSV to the principal applicant only, they will reduce our chance of getting the RV. I feel its not fare.


Do you think the Case Officer may consider to give the Job Search visa for both??

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Dear Escapedtonz,

Thanks for your reply.

The Job Search visa allowing the principal applicant only to travel to NZ to get a job offer. Correct?

How about if the my partner has (equal chance or maybe more) to get job than the me (principal applicant)??

By giving the JSV to the principal applicant only, they will reduce our chance of getting the RV. I feel its not fare.


Do you think the Case Officer may consider to give the Job Search visa for both??
Correct. The JSV would only be for the principal applicant. Immigration would not offer it to a partner or dependent on the application. There is no leeway in that decision so no consideration will be given like that. If it is easier for your partner to get a job then complete a separate application with your partner as principal applicant OR change your current application to have your partner as the principal applicant.
Don't really see how it isn't fair ?
In my personal opinion I don't see why anyone overseas should be able to come here to live / work without a job offer unless they are doing the working holiday Visa thing. I dont agree with Immigration giving thousands of people a chance to live and work here by offering a JSV for 12 months as doing that doesn't help the people here who already have the right to work but are unemployed.

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Dear Escapedtonz,

Thanks again for your reply.

The reason i made myself the principal applicant is the experience. I can collect more points for my experience than my wife. But both of us holding a PhD degree. My wife has PhD degree in Psychology.

We both collected 185 points.
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Education 70 points
Experience 65 points
Partner 20 points
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We don't have work experience in NZ neither qualifying NZ study experience. I also found it very hard to get a job offer in NZ while we are overseas as all the employers required a valid NZ Visa to give you job offer. (I dont know how some people can get Job offer while they are overseas!)

When we first apply to NZ, we selected Skilled Migrant Category Resident Visa
they didn't mention about JSV. Indeed, they wrote This visa is for you if you want to live in New Zealand permanently and you have skills that can contribute to New Zealandís economic growth. Your application is more likely to be accepted if you have employment in an area in which New Zealand has a skills shortage.

When i sent my application they invited me to apply for Residence NOT for JSV. Nevertheless, if they want to give me JSV, they really should consider to give the same to my partner as well. if Not, why they bother me asking 1000 of questions and proves of partnership?! why they asked to do assessment for my partner qualifications?? why they asked to provide partner police reports and medical checkup??

I have lost a lot of money for this application, i never expect i will end with JSV!!

if this is the truth, it is the ugliest truth!

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Dear Escapedtonz,

Thanks again for your reply.

The reason i made myself the principal applicant is the experience. I can collect more points for my experience than my wife. But both of us holding a PhD degree. My wife has PhD degree in Psychology.

We both collected 185 points.
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Age 30 points
Education 70 points
Experience 65 points
Partner 20 points
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We don't have work experience in NZ neither qualifying NZ study experience. I also found it very hard to get a job offer in NZ while we are overseas as all the employers required a valid NZ Visa to give you job offer. (I dont know how some people can get Job offer while they are overseas!)

When we first apply to NZ, we selected Skilled Migrant Category Resident Visa
they didn't mention about JSV. Indeed, they wrote This visa is for you if you want to live in New Zealand permanently and you have skills that can contribute to New Zealandís economic growth. Your application is more likely to be accepted if you have employment in an area in which New Zealand has a skills shortage.

When i sent my application they invited me to apply for Residence NOT for JSV. Nevertheless, if they want to give me JSV, they really should consider to give the same to my partner as well. if Not, why they bother me asking 1000 of questions and proves of partnership?! why they asked to do assessment for my partner qualifications?? why they asked to provide partner police reports and medical checkup??

I have lost a lot of money for this application, i never expect i will end with JSV!!

if this is the truth, it is the ugliest truth!
First of all.....why claim 185 points on the EOI ???
As long as you score 160 then submit EOI as it'll get selected from the pool automatically. Yes, if you don't have a job offer, NZ study or work experience you still won't be approved but you will save in time and money during the processing.
You don't get the visa any faster or treated any differently just because you have more points. All it means is you have more points to prove by collecting the evidence and proving it to Immigration and as you have stated that evidence can cost money, so I'd say....why claim the 20 partner points ? you don't need them and claiming them means you have to have partners qualification assessments and have to prove partnership. Your partner can still go on the application but you just don't claim any points for them so don't have to prove anything for them other than a medical and police check. They don't even have to meet the same English language level so could save you the cost of doing IELTS for them etc.
You can get a job offer in NZ while overseas and even when you don't have the right to live and work in NZ....I'm an example of that as I got two jobs within a week of each other, the only difference being I did have the visa at the time but still lived in the UK. I was still a risk for the employers. It is a difficult task but not impossible.

With regards to the visa, Immigration don't have to mention anything. You are the one applying. It is your obligation to get it right during the process. All the info is there if you research and you also have the opportunity to ask an expert by getting approved Immigration advice. If you missed the info or didn't take any advice then you only have yourself to blame.
Immigration will invite you to apply for Residence as you are applying for Skilled Migrant Resident Visa, not anything else. The fact that you have misread or missed the info that states you MUST have one of the three attributes (job offer, NZ study experience or NZ work experience) to be approved in ADDITION to at least 160 points on the EOI is your issue, not that of Immigration.
Immigration will absolutely not consider a JSV for your partner as well. That is not part of the process and not part of Immigration Law in conjunction with SMRV and does not comply with Immigration's Operations Manual.
Immigration bothered to ask you a 1000 questions because you made the claim for the points that necessitated the questions. They ask you to prove partnership because you claimed 20 points for your partner and in providing that proof you then have to have partner qualification assessment, maybe IELTS etc at your cost. It isn't Immigration's fault that you claimed those 20 points.
It is mandatory that ALL persons on an application MUST have police reports if they are old enough AND provide medicals. Immigration can't just overlook either of those as any person could be seriously unhealthy and cost the NZ health system $$$$ or have serious character flaws.

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Dear Escapedtonz,

Thanks again for your reply.

Yes correct, i didn't need the 20 points of my partner but i need my partner to be with me without being spread.

Any idea about the processing time duration for converting JSV to RV after getting job offer of skilled employment?

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Dear Escapedtonz,

Thanks again for your reply.

Yes correct, i didn't need the 20 points of my partner but i need my partner to be with me without being spread.

Any idea about the processing time duration for converting JSV to RV after getting job offer of skilled employment?
Without NZ skilled job offer points on the EOI there is absolutely zero chance of your application being approved RV so regardless of the 20 points for your partner you are facing being separated due to the 12 month JSV for you as the principal applicant.
It does not necessarily mean that your partner can't also join you in NZ. It just means your partner cannot enter NZ on their own JSV and will be unable to live and work in NZ, however they could do the trip on say a visitor visa, or a Working Holiday Visa (if there is one for your country of origin). It is possible they could even be with you for the full 12 months depending on what visa they went for. Your partner will have to abide by other visa conditions and criteria though so in the case of a temporary visitor visa they'd have to prove they had the funds to look after themselves for the duration of their stay, they'd have to have an airline ticket out of the country to somewhere they can travel to, they must ensure they do not work or have any intention to work (not so if on a working holiday visa). It doesn't have to mean that you go on your own to NZ for 12 months, however it all depends on your circumstances, responsibilities and if you and your partner can afford to do it.

Processing time for SMRV is several months anyway - even when as in your case you aren't eligible for approval. Getting the JSV in lieu of SMRV can still take some time as Immigration are still processing through SMRV until they get to the point where you could be approved if you had a job offer. This is the point they may (and will likely) offer JSV and if you accept, the SMRV will be deferred/placed on hold until you come here and get that all important skilled job offer.
Once you have that offer you supply that evidence to Immigration, they run the employer/job/responsibilities/salary checks and you should be good to go. If you supply the correct information on the job offer it should only take a few months before SMRV approval but it could take longer depending how those employer checks go.

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Dear Escapedtonz,

Many thanks for all the details you shared with me. Really appreciate it.

My application history as follow:
EOI Submitted: March 2019
ITA Received: April 2019
Lodgement: July 2019
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From your experience, when do you think they will assign a case officer for my case? and how long it gonna take till they issue the JSV? My online status still shows "Pending"

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