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Ok, so I'm trying not to go into the UK with green coloured specs... but I need some insight.
Why is the UK such a bad place to live in? I don't want to go there and be hit with it.
There is a myriad of UK expats in Australia and I just don't get it.
Some of the very vague reasons I've heard cited for moving were lifestyle, nice place to raise children and the government sucks in the UK...???

am I missing something here?

Is this 'ignorance is bliss' speaking?
please enlighten me what social, socio-economic, educational, political problems....etc people in the UK face that push them towards Australia [is it really better here?]

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Ok, so I'm trying not to go into the UK with green coloured specs... but I need some insight.
Why is the UK such a bad place to live in? I don't want to go there and be hit with it.
There is a myriad of UK expats in Australia and I just don't get it.
Some of the very vague reasons I've heard cited for moving were lifestyle, nice place to raise children and the government sucks in the UK...???

am I missing something here?

Is this 'ignorance is bliss' speaking?
please enlighten me what social, socio-economic, educational, political problems....etc people in the UK face that push them towards Australia [is it really better here?]
The reasons I left the UK, in no particular order are

Lack of Space
too full, too many people in such a country
lots of unecessary rules
lack of sunshine, always grey
feels claustrophobic
nanny state
government who doesnt listen to the people
miserable people, who always seem uptight and "beaten"
dull
characterless

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The U.K. is cold, wet, and expensive, especially in the south.

The government are a set of plonkers who are living in La La land.

Certain areas you would think by the population that you are on the Indian sub continent.

I have been to Australia, you have a better country there. I nearly stayed, (illegally) but changed my mind at the last minute. I tried for many years to return legally, but it wasn't to be.

If you are going to the U.K. go in February, you will then understand what we are talking about.

Far better here in the Canary Islands
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I left for a better quality of life which includes:
# Respect for other people and their property, both of which are largely missing now in UK
# A return to a life where you care about other people and they care about you
# A life where everything is not just about having the latest trendy flashy crap and the attitude is still "if it ain't broke don't fix it" yet "if it is broke, first try to fix it before buying another new one" and should the worst happen and "you have to buy a replacement don't add to landfill donate it to someone else who can use the broken one for spares to fix other broken ones".

Just like it used to be 60 years ago in the UK village where I was brought up.
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Ok, so I'm trying not to go into the UK with green coloured specs... but I need some insight.
Why is the UK such a bad place to live in? I don't want to go there and be hit with it.
[is it really better here?]
its not just Australia.... we go to countries all over the world!
The husband and I left England for all the reasons below. We hated the nanny state, we hated having to do better all the time to pay the increasing taxes, we hated the fact everything was being taxed. And we hated the cost of living.

But most of all, we were happy to leave, because England was no longer the place we grew up in. The values that that country stood for had changed, our government was wageing war in our name when we opposed. Everyone was too busy rushing around trying to earn enough to live and had lost the concern for others. Not only were children not safe in the streets but suddenly everyone else had become a threat to my safety, my family's safety, and the safety of everyone we knew. We were being watched by the cameras all the time and even our phone calls and emails could be monitored.

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Let me put a contrary view.
Have lived in several other countries in the world. Currently live in England and am happy to stay, even though emigrating has crossed my mind.
Reasons why England is fine for me include:
Have family, friends and social life here.
I feel safe in where I live, though there are parts of a city or town I wouldn't like to live in.
Sense of history, old buildings that have stood for centuries and still lovingly looked after, every part of the country has something to remind me of history, from Romans to the Victorians.
Great cultural, artistic and musical life.
Good range of top-class professional sports, esp football.
Ease of travelling all around Europe.
Taxation, to me, is no worse than in many others I have lived or stayed in. Of course some things are more highly taxed (e.g. alcohol) than in others, but income tax and social security payments are no worse, and lower than in some.
Government? Nanny state? I try not to get too influenced by what they do, and there are ways to reduce their hold on one's freedom. Change of government(?) may alter this.
I think racial diversity is a great plus.
Tradition of tolerance, welcome and openess - perhaps not as pronounced now, but still there if you care to mingle with right sort of people.
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Let me put a contrary view.
Have lived in several other countries in the world. Currently live in England and am happy to stay, even though emigrating has crossed my mind.
Reasons why England is fine for me include:
Have family, friends and social life here.
I feel safe in where I live, though there are parts of a city or town I wouldn't like to live in.
Sense of history, old buildings that have stood for centuries and still lovingly looked after, every part of the country has something to remind me of history, from Romans to the Victorians.
Great cultural, artistic and musical life.
Good range of top-class professional sports, esp football.
Ease of travelling all around Europe.
Taxation, to me, is no worse than in many others I have lived or stayed in. Of course some things are more highly taxed (e.g. alcohol) than in others, but income tax and social security payments are no worse, and lower than in some.
Government? Nanny state? I try not to get too influenced by what they do, and there are ways to reduce their hold on one's freedom. Change of government(?) may alter this.
I think racial diversity is a great plus.
Tradition of tolerance, welcome and openess - perhaps not as pronounced now, but still there if you care to mingle with right sort of people.
Good points
The radio stations aren't good here. Concerts here are cheaper to attend and sometimes even free!
Don't miss the sports, we get some on TV and now we've found a way to get the Grand Prix too I am happy
Ease of travelling here? five cars and its rush hour.... I do not miss the M25!

I agree about racial diversity being a plus... so long as it doesn't swamp British culture and identity. You can already see that starting here, where so many immigrants from one country move into an area and swamp the local culture. I don't like it when British children in Britain find themselves in the minority in their classes.... and I would feel the same about children in any other country.

The tradition of tolerance, welcoming and openness was a great thing about Britain. I think it is disappearing fast. I mourn its passing and I think Britain will be a lesser place and community without it.

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unfortunately im still in the uk but looking to change that asap......my reasons for going are as follows:
CRIME: stupidly high crime rates, used to live in london where its horrendous, but now on the south kent coast, its better but far from perfect.

GOVERNMENT: while im aware there's no such thing as an honest politician, the lies, bs & hypocrisy pedalled by this government of "spin" i think far exceed that of previous governments, "new labour" unfortunately has all the worst qualities of both old labour & the conservatives & unfortunately the damage they have done will probably never be reversed.

IMMIGRATION: im all for helping oppressed & downtrodden people, but this has become a joke, most asylum seekers travel through a dozen perfectly good countries to get here, just so they can get paid & housed for doing nothing.......when i lived in london & anybody moaned about all the asian shopkeepers i always stood up for them, after all they worked hard & put in the hours supplying the local community when all the "white" shops were closed.......& again the government has failed us by not closing the floodgates.

COST OF LIVINGne of the most expensive countries to live in, paying too much for all products & "services",with very little to show for it........& it keeps going up while "services" are being cut.......whats that about ?.

QUALITY OF LIFE:if you work hard you should be able to reap the rewards of your labour, not treated like a cash cow every time you do a bit of overtime.......otherwise whats the point, might as well join the dole & get treated better.

there are numerous other reason why we want to leave but i dont want this to become a soapbox rant.........the thing that really brings this home to us is our son, he is now 12 & our "life", we just dont see a future for him in the uk.

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Some of the negatives above are reasons why I wouldn't be that keen on living in Australia either!

There's a kind of look after number one, stick the parents in an old folks home asap, kick others in the teeth before they get you first attitude... with kids growing up thinking they deserve everything and have to give nothing in return ... that's come with increased prosperity and the Anglo-Saxon led worship of consumerism, 'neo-liberalism' in political terms.

Not so obvious to those who can't look back and see the changes as each decade has gone by, but respect has gone out of the window, family and community life are not what they once were.

The Uk is not the worst place in the world, and as Joppa has pointed out, it has history, access to cultural and sporting facilities, and is a relatively benign democracy compared to other far less pleasant regimes. But it has miserable weather, and the country, having wagered heavily - and stupidly - on the financial and insurance sectors during the 80s, virtually abandoning industry, is now paying the price as one of the most indebted Western nations. It's definitely going to get worse, a lot worse, before it gets better. Mugs can swallow the political hype if that makes them feel more comfortable, but I don't believe any of it.

Much as I love France which has retained at least something of the old ways, I would return to SE Asia like a shot.

Go to two villages of comparable size in the UK and France, say 3,000 people in a rural area, and in France there is still a genuine community spirit, a village with dozens of small shops, cafes, restaurants, banks, a post office, weekly market... in the UK equivalent you would be lucky if it has a Chinese takeaway.


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I do think its sad that we are having this whole debate. When our children were small England was a brilliant place to live in. We lived in a village, went to school in the village, got the essentials in the shops, had Brownies and Cubs, Guides and Scouts and dancing/music lessons, Mothers Union, Women's Institute, pancake day races and summer fetes. We knew all our neighbours by name and they knew us. People rarely moved into or out of the village. The local policeman rode round on his bike and we all knew him and he knew us, he had very little crime to deal with, just the occasional lost dog. He regularly popped into events in the village to network and so did the local vicar. We enjoyed our life and had most of what we needed could be found in the village. Once a week we would go to a local big town for our weekly shopping. We left our doors, window, cars unlocked and toys in the front garden or even in the street. We respected the old people and expected our children to do the same would not have dreamed of being rude to them or to each other. We helped each other if someone had a problem, did shopping for people who couldn't.

I was proud to be British and proud to be living in England. It was a good place to live and a good life. Emigrating was not even thought about, let alone planned.

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