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Hi all,

Joppa/ Nyclon, I could very much do with your advice on this. My 20 year old brother who is a student in America is hoping to visit me this summer for 2 weeks and maybe a week over Christmas. He has a UK tourist visa refusal on his records from when he was 14 years old and attempted to visit me while I was a 19 year old student in the UK.

Please could you take a look at the letter he is going to present with his tourist visa application this time?----


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15/05/2016

British Consulate General
845 3rd Ave,
New York
100322, NY
United States of America

To Whom it may Concern,
Regarding: My UK tourist visa application

I am writing in support of my application for a short term UK tourist visa in order to make two trips to visit my sister xxxxx- from 21st August to 6th September and 24th December to 2nd January 2017. The main purpose of my visits is to see my sister’s home and travel around xxxx with a few days to visit London and Manchester, and to experience English Christmas.

My sister xxx and I saw each other last in November 2015 when my parents, she and xxx (my brother in law) visited me at my university in xxxx. This summer I have secured a summer job as a xxx Programme Co-ordinator on campus from end of May to July 2016, which leaves me approximately 6 weeks of my summer holidays free to travel. I will be going home to India, to see my parents and grandparents and would like to then fly to UK to visit my sister’s home. The main focus of this trip for me is to spend time together, but also to additionally spend some time visiting London and Manchester, both of which have been on my list of places to see for a long time now. My sister has planned to take me around xxxxx to see the local sites/seafronts etc. In London, I hope to cover as many of the main tourist activities as I can such as visiting all the famous landmarks – Tower of London, London Eye, Buckingham Palace, Madam Tussauds wax museum etc. As it will be peak English summer time, I look forward to the open top London tour busses too! The main reason for my visit to Manchester will be the Old Trafford football stadium as I have been a long standing Manchester United fan. During my Christmas break from university my parents will be flying to the UK to spend Christmas together with my sister and brother in law and I would like to join them for a short week-long visit from 24th December to 2nd January as my sister enjoys a break from work during this period. This makes it the perfect time for all of us to be together as a family and enjoy local Christmas festivities and call in the New Year.

I have previously been refused a UK tourist visa in summer of 2009. At that time I was a 14 year old minor and most of my application was handled by my father xxxx and sister xxxx. I am not certain of all the reasons for rejection, but I do believe mistakes were made on the application on our part. For instance, we applied for the tourist visa 4 months prior to the intended date of travel, instead of 3 months as per rules, due to the fact that I was in boarding school at the time and could not leave school to apply for the visa during term time. I also think the fact that I was a minor at the time and intended to travel alone to see my sister who was then a young student at University xxxx herself was not the most ideal circumstance. In short, we had not conducted thorough research prior to applying and had made errors on the application for which I can only apologise. Since then, we have all learned to be more thorough in these matters and now as an adult I feel confident in approaching this visa application with a clearer understanding of the processes and rules surrounding a UK short stay tourist visa. I have travelled to Malaysia in the past and look forward to adding the UK to my international travels list.


Presently I am a resident of the United States of America and have a ……………… student visa which is valid until……….. I still have to achieve ….. credits in order to graduate and hope to complete these in time to graduate in September 2017. As such, I have a lot of study commitments to which I must return once my summer break is over. I am also an active member of the xxxx street play troupe at the University as well as being a member of the xxx Acapella singing group. I have performed on several occasions with both groups in the past year and hope to continue to do so in the new term. I would not like to miss any of the practice sessions and performances and hence look forward to my return to my student life once my short break in the UK is over. Please find enclosed a certificate of enrolment letter from my university and a copy of my USA student visa to evidence the above.

I am looking forward to visiting my sister and brother in law in their home this summer and spending some quality family time together with my parents and them this Christmas.

I enclose the following evidence
1. A copy of my passport and USA student visa showing my present visa conditions
2. A certificate of attendance letter to the University xxxxx
3. A copy of my travel itinerary, with blocked return flight tickets from New York to Manchester.
4. A copy of my previous 6 months bank statements
5. Invitation letters from my sister and brother in law (along with evidence of their accommodation)
6. A letter of sponsorship from my father, xxxx, his previous 6 months pay slips and employment letter
7. Hotel reservations for London and Manchester


Please do not hesitate to contact me on ………… or-------------if you need further information.

Yours faithfully

xxxx


Any red flags? Is this the best way to address his previous refusal? Is the letter too long? Any tips on how to shorten it would be gratefully received.

Thank you again for taking the time to read the lengthy post.


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Apologies for bumping this, but can anyone give me their 2 cents on the letter? Thanking you in advance.

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PS- should I be addressing his previous refusal in my sponsorship letter? As you can see in his letter, he was a minor when the application was made and was mainly handled by my father and myself.

Should I be saying anything in my letter about that refusal or is his explanation of the circumstances surrounding the refusal sufficient?

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Sorry Kimi, this forum's traffic has been greatly reduced since last week, most likely to the password issue. ^-^;;

It looks like really well-written letter, though maybe try to shorten it a bit; no need for the list of landmarks/tourist areas I think. If it's too lengthy, they tend to be less thorough I feel when reading it. I don't see why you shouldn't mention the refusal too, as it was partly handled by you then. Other than that I wish I knew more that can help.

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Thank you ever so much Aurora for your feedback.

Yes, you are right, it is too wordy, I will reduce the landmarks etc references.

Can I ask, in your opinion, could we cancel out the entire paragraph mentioning the refusal and instead put something like-

'I was once previously refused a UK tourist visa when I was a minor (14 years old) which I have addressed in the appendix section of this applciation'

And then put the entire refusal explanation in the appendix section ? That way the length of the letter is greatly reduced and all the points are met. It will be easier on the ECO's eyes to read in two separate parts as well....

Unless it is absolutely essential to address previous refusal in introduction letter , of course in which case we will not move it anywhere else.

Again opinions welcome.

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Yes, unfortunately we did not keep hold of the copy of refusal on the first instance. We really should have done. But from what I can remember, it was largely due to mistakes we had made- applying too soon/ minor travelling alone.

It wasn't a lack of funds (had used my father's funds who has successfully applied for 2 UK visas himself) and it wasn't a character based refusal. It was simply a badly done application so we can only rectify it to the best of our knowledge on this occasion.

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I'm not sure about moving the refusal part. It does look good to mention and take responsibility (even though he was a minor I know) that the refusal happened in the letter. He should also mention addressing the issues and show the evidence included. He doesn't need to explain why the points of the refusal occurred, but what is being done to address them I think. Tthat'll reduce and condense the paragraph quite a bit.

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Thank you Aurora. Good point about showing how he has addressed the reasons for previous refusal.

We will just have to keep our fingers crossed that we get a patient ECO, willing to read the wordy letter. We are struggling to condense it any more as we feel any further reductions will take away from all the points we want to present.

Although we haven't started the online application yet and there is a chance we will get to explain some of the above points in the application itself and thus be able to remove them from the letter.

I feel a visit visa letter needs to include- purpose of visit, brief itinerary of things to do on trip, evidence of life back in home country and finally in my brother's case, addressing a past refusal. Cannot take away from any of those haha

Anywhooo thanks again for your input. If anyone else stumbles across the thread and wants to chime in, please do

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Joppa/ Nyclon,

May I get your view on whether the following paragraph explaining rejection of visit visa is sufficient?===

"I have previously been refused a UK tourist visa in summer of 2009. At that time I was a 14 year old minor and most of my application was handled by my father xxx and sister xxxx. Mistakes were made on my original application, for instance, we applied for the tourist visa 4 months prior to the intended date of travel, instead of 3 months as per rules; due to the fact that I was unable to leave my boarding school at term time. Also being a minor (14 years old) at the time and travelling alone to see my 19 year old sister who was a student, was not the most ideal situation. In short, we had not conducted thorough research prior to applying and had made errors on the application for which I can only apologise. In order to rectify the mistakes made before, I have now applied within the recommended 3 months period and being an adult now, can take responsibility for my trip. I have a clear understanding of visa processes and rules surrounding a UK short stay tourist visa. I have travelled to Malaysia in the past and look forward to adding the UK to my international travels list."

Also your view on whether I should address his previous rejection in my own sponsorship letter on this instance ( I am sponsoring his accommodation only).

Thank you for your help

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