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Old 27th July 2011, 04:19 AM
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Hi All,

I want all non native English speakers those who are aspiring to migrate to Australia on 175 visa. This programme should be an eye opener for you. (Its broadcasted yesterday on SBS one channel)

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Grass is not that greener on this side. My wife is trying to search a job for the past six month but she is denied a job because she does not has local experience. (Even though she has 4+ years of experience with top multinationals in India).There is still not enough acceptance by Australian employers for non native English speakers.
Be prepared for very tough job search once you land in Australia.

Best wishes for your applications ...
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Hi Rahul,

I can sympathise with you to a certain extent, obviously everyone wants to work in the occupation in which they have experience. However, I don't see how you can generalise about the whole skilled migrant population from just a few select experiences.

I live in Melbourne and I encounter skilled professionals from overseas every day, even skilled migrants who have a good knowledge of English but who have difficult-to-understand accents work in professional positions; you can't say I'm wrong because I see it with my own eyes in my own city.

I understand it's unfair that those without 'local experience' are immediately rejected, obviously the best applicant should be hired whether they are natives or from overseas. However, it might be that in some certain cases local experience really is needed. Also, many Indians complain about 'local experience' and only being able to get hired in lower paying jobs; there is nothing wrong with doing a lower-paying job for some time in order to get local experience, and then to move on to a better paying job once you have experience.

In my opinion some jobs really do require a native-like English language competency, along with an accent that everyone can clearly understand.

I don't go to France and complain that French people are getting more job offers than me, the French people know France better than me! I wouldn't go to India with a bad accent in Hindi and complain that a native got the job instead of me. Despite the negatives, so many skilled migrants make great careers in Australia - obviously not everyone is having difficulty finding a good job.

What's more, if you or your wife managed to get so many great jobs in India, then maybe you should consider where you want to live. I know so many who went overseas to France, to the UK or Spain, they didn't find work so they came back, that's life.


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Old 27th July 2011, 05:21 AM
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To be fair, Australia is an English speaking country so it's not surprising that native English speakers find it easier to get jobs. Local experience is fair enough too considering the companies only want the best for themselves and that means hiring the best employees.

These kind of things are not really something a non native English speaker have any right to complain about to be honest, it's you that's making the choice to come to an English speaking country.
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Old 27th July 2011, 05:30 AM
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Read the comments, they're practically all negative -
it's not only about a language difference, but a lot more than that...

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I know it's not all language. But seriously, apart from truly horrible stories where the immigrant who was clearly more suitable for a position was rejected and a local chosen for no logical reason...apart from a couple of stories like that, why wouldn't an employer want someone with local experience?

It's only logical. An employer hiring someone in real estate, for example, is looking for someone who knows the Australian house market and who has demonstrated sales experience to Australian clients, it's nothing to do with racism if the employer choses someone who has the proof on their CV rather than someone who doesn't have that CV but who is equally determined.

It's all about experience. Myself, an Australia born citizen, cannot apply for 90% of jobs available because I don't have the experience. What's more, even if I did have the experience from overseas, how could I provide valuable references?

In the end, leaving one's country is a choice, and one that must be well calculated and risks must be acknowledged.
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I totally agree that most of the aussies that you meet on the road are very friendly however somehow things change the moment you walk into a firm and ask for employment opportunities. Somehow this gives the impressions to most of the Indians who are in Oz think that the Aussies are only pretending to be friendly. Now i know that this is not true but as they say 'Your perception your reality'

India is a country with lousy infra, pathetic health care and weak yet corrupt ministry. The reason ppl leave india is not for career growth but to enjoy a better std of living and get a better future for their kid. So they are worried for how long do they have to do lower paying jobs/odd jobs since they have left senior positions with higher than the avg pay for a better life. And as we all painfully know that more sooner than later the equation of less money comes in and then ppl start to reflect in their mind if the 'move' was worth it.

Yes very true that the accent thing is a problem however come on its just a language that is spoken a bit differently .... by the way very few on the roads again very few aussies actually have a problem so the corollary should mean there should not be any trouble even work wise.

In fact i noticed a very funny thing most of the australians i encountered usually have a decently clear accent ...the Aussie Cricketers that we see on tv have a majorly pronounced drawl wonder why is that? But most of the Aussies speak quite slowly and the Indians usually speak very fast.

At the end of it all give us some more time to blend i...after all you folks have had the luxury of being born and brought up in a developed economy. Btw as an Indian who has probably taken lots of loans from friends and family thanks to the Dollar and INR difference it may not be an option to go back unlike you guys. That is the reason most of us cant admit that they have made a mistake by moving.

Sorry if i rambled along too long just wanted to put across the view points of my country men who may or may not have the time and the tenacity to think clearly and put it in words about their feelings towards the local aussie population.

Anyway you guys are very very friendly and i have happened to travel the globe. So keep on smiling and being friendly and till some time just bear with us the not so fortunate brethren.

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if you read the WA equal opportunity at work,employers should not discriminate an applicant regardless of race, gender, disability,political or religious convictions. Hence, they must take into consideration how will an applicant bring benefit and contribute to the economic growth of AU. But knowing the business language is definitely a must. On the other way around it's not just knowing how to speak but also to be understood. I'm presently working in a workplace where there are non-nationals like me, a scottish (sometimes you would require subtitles LOL), nigerians, indians, english and few polish and it's very nice when we all gather for a cigarette and start talking about everything,now that's nearly 5 different accents and that's a communication traffic.
But this news whether it's true will impact a negative impression on Australia's global competitiveness. But i also read an article outside of this forum about an Indian who was about to be a repatriate after XYZ number of years of living in the Northern Territory due to language barrier but in all fairness i've worked with Indians here and their English are good.

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I know it's not all language. But seriously, apart from truly horrible stories where the immigrant who was clearly more suitable for a position was rejected and a local chosen for no logical reason...apart from a couple of stories like that, why wouldn't an employer want someone with local experience?

It's only logical. An employer hiring someone in real estate, for example, is looking for someone who knows the Australian house market and who has demonstrated sales experience to Australian clients, it's nothing to do with racism if the employer choses someone who has the proof on their CV rather than someone who doesn't have that CV but who is equally determined.

It's all about experience. Myself, an Australia born citizen, cannot apply for 90% of jobs available because I don't have the experience. What's more, even if I did have the experience from overseas, how could I provide valuable references?

In the end, leaving one's country is a choice, and one that must be well calculated and risks must be acknowledged.
Oh no, my comment was not directed towards you, just a generalization that the sentiment seems to be negative (towards the immigration process in general). For instance, there is a comment there where people are complaining that company's should train citizens instead of begging the government to hand out 457's whenever it is perceived that there is a shortage of skilled workers. I can understand the comment, though, it's actually quite normal to feel this way. What these company's are doing is making it harder for the average aussie to compete for jobs. Their competition becomes global. (But this is not something that Westerners are not already used to).

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Dear Rahul


What English are we talking about ... India has the largest population of English speakers in the world..The bone of contention maybe is the accent which we need some time to get used to and maybe after a couple of years of local experience we should be able to manage.

List of countries by English-speaking population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


So don't worry too much about the language. There are a hell lot of jobs where Aussie dont like to work long hours . maybe thats the area where you can try.

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What English are we talking about ... India has the largest population of English speakers in the world..The bone of contention maybe is the accent which we need some time to get used to and maybe after a couple of years of local experience we should be able to manage.

List of countries by English-speaking population - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


So don't worry too much about the language. There are a hell lot of jobs where Aussie dont like to work long hours . maybe thats the area where you can try.

Be Postive.
Hi Sriikanth,

Itís not only about English but also about local experience, anyways i am positive.

Thanks for support
Rahul

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