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At work, I very rarely program, and work as a "business systems analyst"

But I am wondering in what I should get assessed as: Business systems analyst or systems analyst?

The problem is that my degree is in management information systems, and it has a concentration on programming. I am afraid that if I choose to be assessed in business systems analyst (because I hardly do any programming at work), that my undergraduate degree will not be sufficient for this title.

But if I choose systems analyst, then my undergraduate degree will match well - as it has plenty of programming courses. But I hardly do any programming at work, so this may be a problem....

I guess which takes precedence? Your job or your undergraduate degree?

What would you suggest I get assessed as? Business or systems??

More info: I did my undergrad back in 2003, and have more than 10 years experience as a business analyst.

Please help me decide

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At work, I very rarely program, and work as a "business systems analyst"

But I am wondering in what I should get assessed as: Business systems analyst or systems analyst?

The problem is that my degree is in management information systems, and it has a concentration on programming. I am afraid that if I choose to be assessed in business systems analyst (because I hardly do any programming at work), that my undergraduate degree will not be sufficient for this title.

But if I choose systems analyst, then my undergraduate degree will match well - as it has plenty of programming courses. But I hardly do any programming at work, so this may be a problem....

I guess which takes precedence? Your job or your undergraduate degree?

What would you suggest I get assessed as? Business or systems??

More info: I did my undergrad back in 2003, and have more than 10 years experience as a business analyst.

Please help me decide
Since you've 10 years of experience, I'd say the degree wouldn't matter as long as it's something to do with ICT (Information and Communication Technology), which your degree being MIS obviously is considered as a major in ICT by ACS.

As you'd be classed under Group A by ACS and you'd need 2 years if it is highly relevant to the nominated occupation or 4 years if it isn't. You wouldn't have any problem with nominating BA or SA as far as your degree is concerned.

Look at the following duties/responsibilities carefully:

  • Analyzing problems in software development and guiding the rectification of faults in programs
  • Analyzing software requirements and defining program parameters and specifications
  • Undertaking analysis of current software products and determining approaches which will improve their user interface, performance and integrity
  • Leading team members and third parties in client organisations in the integration of technological methodologies and components of projects
  • Ensuring and being accountable for the technical integrity of the design in accordance with the client’s requirements
  • Ensuring that programs meet marketing/user requirements by testing and monitoring initial field use and problems
  • Guiding the preparation of software manuals and guides
  • Improving the interface between systems users, the operating system and applications software
  • Conducting user requirements analysis to match customer needs to company products and services
  • Assisting the sales force with pre-sales activity such as proposal preparation, systems demonstrations and presentations, particularly in relation to larger and more important clients.

or
  • meet with clients to determine requirements, and work with clients to determine what needs to be done
  • prepare proposals and tenders
  • analyse problems and make recommendations
  • be accountable for defined assignments or projects. These often involve immediate action or short term planning of human and other resources
  • liaise with staff at all levels of an organisation
  • project manage the design and implementation of a chosen solution, ensuring it meets user requirements and are delivered on time
  • organising training

Which of these set of duties do you think your work closely relates to?


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It's a combination of both, but I do more the latter - hardly any programming...
By the way, I hear there may be a new sol? Do you think any of these two jobs may be removed?

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It's a combination of both, but I do more the latter - hardly any programming...
By the way, I hear there may be a new sol? Do you think any of these two jobs may be removed?
Well, as you might have guessed, the former corresponds to ACS' perception of "Systems Analyst" and the latter to "Business Analyst".

The bottom line is a lot would depend on the employer reference letter you send to ACS and nothing else.

Yep, a new SOL would most probably make its way to the front row from July 1st. Coming to BA or SA being removed, I'd say the chances are really less (more so with BA since it is in great demand atm as evidenced by BA being on almost all of the state's SMPs). Just my opinion, though.

BTW, you thinking of going for 175 (independent) or 176 (state sponsored)?


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Well, as you might have guessed, the former corresponds to ACS' perception of "Systems Analyst" and the latter to "Business Analyst".

The bottom line is a lot would depend on the employer reference letter you send to ACS and nothing else.

Yep, a new SOL would most probably make its way to the front row from July 1st. Coming to BA or SA being removed, I'd say the chances are really less (more so with BA since it is in great demand atm as evidenced by BA being on almost all of the state's SMPs). Just my opinion, though.

BTW, you thinking of going for 175 (independent) or 176 (state sponsored)?


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Hi armandra!

I don't mind either one of those visas - I will apply for the 175, but if after getting assessed I find that my occupation is not listed on the main sol, then I will apply for the 176.

If you had a choice, given possible removal of occupation from the sol, etc - which would you pick? SA or BA?

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I don't mind either one of those visas - I will apply for the 175, but if after getting assessed I find that my occupation is not listed on the main sol, then I will apply for the 176.

If you had a choice, given possible removal of occupation from the sol, etc - which would you pick? SA or BA?
I'd personally go for BA.

But but but, just to add something here, ACS has been very proactive in turning down BA apps or asking them to go for Analyst Programmer (which is kinda similar to BA in job responsibilities). My guess is ACS can't just give away BA places as it is the only ICT occupation on WA and Qld's SMP.

Point is BA being in great demand atm throughout Australia, may be DIAC (through ACS) wants to restrict the number of apps opting for that. Adding fuel to the fire, a lot of recent Australian uni grads who studied Information Systems have picked up BA when going for assessment. That might have caused ACS to scrutinise the BA apps as well.

Check in here the number of apps received by DIAC by entering 261111 for BA and 261112 for SA:

https://www.ecom.immi.gov.au/skillma...tartUnknown.do

So, what do you think?

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I'd personally go for BA.

But but but, just to add something here, ACS has been very proactive in turning down BA apps or asking them to go for Analyst Programmer (which is kinda similar to BA in job responsibilities). My guess is ACS can't just give away BA places as it is the only ICT occupation on WA and Qld's SMP.

Point is BA being in great demand atm throughout Australia, may be DIAC (through ACS) wants to restrict the number of apps opting for that. Adding fuel to the fire, a lot of recent Australian uni grads who studied Information Systems have picked up BA when going for assessment. That might have caused ACS to scrutinise the BA apps as well.

Check in here the number of apps received by DIAC by entering 261111 for BA and 261112 for SA:

https://www.ecom.immi.gov.au/skillma...tartUnknown.do

So, what do you think?

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Wow, this is very useful information - thanks, armandra

I guess it's a hard call - it would be terrible to be asked to change my occupation to something that is not on the list....

You're right in that Systems Analyst isn't on those SMP lists, while BA is. Although SA has been on the SOL for the longest time - unlike BA. In fact, BA seems to be rather new. How long will both careers remain on the SOL remains to be seen...
I would hate to apply for BA and then have it removed from the SOL, but then see systems analyst on there lol


Do you remember a while back - not too long ago, "Information Systems Manager" - was on the SOL until they took it out. Now, IS Manager is a very broad title, so plenty of people who could have been nominated for other skillsets fell into the trap of having to reanalyze their skills.... That's exactly the thing that I don't want to happen to me here with SA or BA.

Decisions, decisions.... I checked the link you pasted, and I find that there are less SA's than BA's.

Maybe the solution is that I should wait until the new SOL is announced?? It's supposed to be coming out this month from what I've read here. What do you think? ?? Would you personally wait?

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Decisions, decisions.... I checked the link you pasted, and I find that there are less SA's than BA's.
Exactly and this can be interpreted in two ways:

1. Since there has been a lot of BA apps, DIAC may move to curtail the supply-being-more-than-demand scenario and take BA off the SOL.

2. Provided the demand for BAs is greater than the apps received, it still might find it's way on SOL.

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Maybe the solution is that I should wait until the new SOL is announced?? It's supposed to be coming out this month from what I've read here. What do you think? ?? Would you personally wait?
Well, depends on your personal circumstances and risk taking capacity. I always have been a risk taker and so you know my opinion, then

May be give it a day or two and see if things clear up in your mind and then take a decision.

Good luck!!


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