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Dear potential Australian immigrants and Australian visa holders,

I have an Master of Science in Electrical Engineering degree from Stockholm, Sweden, with extensive coursework related to Computer Science during my studies, and I also had my "Master Thesis" in computer science related to programming artificial robots playing soccer at Simon Fraser university in Canada. Last year I also finished 2 university courses learning more about Databases related to my current job.

After I finished this degree I worked mainly as an Electrical Engineer/Sales Engineer for approximately 2 years.

BUT...

Later I changed careers into IT:
First I worked as a Mobile Solutions IT-advisor for 1 year (related to the 263111 - Computer Network & Systems Engineer, but also 261111 - ICT Business Analyst and 261112 System Analyst ),
and today I work as a Senior Business Intelligence IT-consultant (related to 261111 - ICT Business Analyst, but also 261112 System Analyst, 263111 Computer Network & Systems Engineer and 261111 Software Engineer).

What I need a better understanding of at this point is the following:
My education can be both related to electrical engineering as well as related to computer science (more then 50% of all my coursework is related to computer science).

I am a little confused at this time how to get my skills assessed and I really need your help with this.

QUESTION:
Should I focus on ACS skill assessment as a computer science engineer (M.Sc in EE) together with my last 3 years of IT-related work experience...
..OR..
should I get my skills assessed as an electrical engineer with Engineers Australia?
Maybe I can send to both assessment organizations (ACS and Engineers Australia) and see where I can get a positive skill assessment?

Please share your thoughts and opinion!
Big thanks to anyone that could help me with this one!!

/Dan


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Hello,

Question 1:
If I have finished a non-Australian 4,5 year undergraduate studies that leads to a Master of Science in Electrical Engineering (yes, without the Bachelor degree, European system), does anyone know under which accreditation system category I should apply?
I believe this is considered to be the Professional Engineer category but not sure about the accreditation (Sydney, Washington, etc..).

Question 2:
How many years of relevant work experience do I need to get my skills assessed for the 232211 Electrical Engineering (ANZSCO code) job description?
Or is it enough with the 4,5 year degree in Electrical Engineering?


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I am applying for a skilled independent (189) visa.
I have a Master degree in Electrical Engineering, but have lately worked mainly with IT-related jobs.

Question 1:
Can I get my skill assessment as an 261313 Electrical Engineer and get my IT-related work assessed for skilled employment or will I only get my skill assessment based on my degree in Electrical Engineering?

Question 2:
If I get my skilled independent (189) visa using the 261313 Electrical Engineering nomination, can I work with IT-related work or do I have to work with the nominated job position?


Thank you!

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Hi Warciosu,

you can get assessed in multiple ANZSCO codes, even from the same assessing authority. Many people have a certain overlap between two or more codes due to career changes or natural progression within a company's hierarchy (e.g. people who start as software tester, move on to development and finally managements). Ideally, your nominated job code matches both your education and work experience .

ACS
Note that ACS will "deduct" at least two years of your work experience post-graduation, more if your bachelor/master degree is assessed as a minor in ICT only. Refer to the ACS Summary of Criteria and the ACS Skills Assessment Guidelines (esp. page 9) for details.

EA
EA also provides a helpful EA Migration Skills Assessment Booklet. They will only consider work experience within the same unit group as the nominated occupation to be closely related. So they won't consider your experience in IT.

Do the maths and see what gives you the better outcome. Unlike in the employer sponsored visa subgroups (457, 186) you don't need to work in your nominated occupation once you have the 189 (or 190) grant - it's only required to get the visa.
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Hi Warciosu,

please don't start a new thread every time you come up with a question related to your skills assessment. Having all information in one place makes it much easier to answer your questions .

It won't be a problem that you completed an "integrated" study program, that combines bachelor and master into one study program. In fact, a 4.5 year program may be advantageous because Australia has 4-year bachelor programs and the typical European (Bologna-style) bachelor is only three years. According to ACS/EA/DIBP you only need a bachelor degree to become "skilled", everything else is sugar on top. You won't get additional education points for a master degree either, the next education level is a PhD.

If you go for EA assessment, make sure that you request "Points Test Advice" for your work experience as well. They usually only assess your education.

Cheers,
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Dear Monika,

I wanted to be more visible in the forum (did not get any replies the first time I posted in the forum), before you where so kind enough and gave me those so important answers for a new applicant. I am very grateful for those, just so you know.

Ok, I understand that my education will be assessed and will give me 15 points, and counted as Professional Engineer at EA. BUT you are saying that ACS/EA/DIBP only need a bachelor degree to become "skilled", but in ACS's case you also need 2 year of relevant work experience connected to the education and nomination job class (not only the education), correct?

Right now I understand that there is no advantage going with ACS if I only have 2 years of relevant IT-work experience, I may as well go with EA where I do not need any work experience, is that correct?

If getting assessed as "skilled" with EA only requires my degree, then will there be any advantage sending papers for all my IT-related work? Also, do I need to send in papers for my "electrical engineering" work if the "certification of employment" does not fully correspond to the requirements set by EA? The duties are missing, there is only the "title" on paper.

I mean, if I get my 60 points, then I don't want to waste to much time on preparing so much other papers that unfortunately can take a lot of time. How important is it to get some extra points for work for the entire application processing time to get my skilled independent 189 visa?

Monika, do you know which accreditation method I should follow:
Do I have non-recognised Engineering qualifications
..or..
Do I have accredited Engineering qualifications ?


Wish you all the best and thank you for your answers!

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Hi Dan,

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BUT you are saying that ACS/EA/DIBP only need a bachelor degree to become "skilled", but in ACS's case you also need 2 year of relevant work experience connected to the education and nomination job class (not only the education), correct?
Yes, I was only speaking from an education point of view. ICT/Engineering codes require an "ANZSCO Skill Level 1", which is a bachelor degree. Sufficient work experience can substitute for a lack of formal qualification. However, every assessing authority can impose additional constraints/requirements. ACS requires you to have at least 2 years of work experience if you have an overseas bachelor degree.

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Right now I understand that there is no advantage going with ACS if I only have 2 years of relevant IT-work experience, I may as well go with EA where I do not need any work experience, is that correct?
Yes, you are correct. One point you may wish to consider are the "dates of effect" for the different occupations. Most engineering/ICT occupation were put under pro-rata arrangements (see SkillSelect Reports), which means they have their own wait queues for 189 EOIs, so you may need a higher points score than 60 points to have a chance to get an invite this year.

Example: Last invitation round from 10 February 2014:
In unit group 2611xx (ICT Business and Systems Analysts) you needed at least 70 points to get an invite. In unit group 2613xx (Software and Applications Programmers) and 2334xx (Electronics Engineers) you needed at least 65 points. Now, the interesting thing is that 2631xx (Computer and Networks Professionals) is not under pro-rata arrangements, so they are in the general queue, where you can get an invite within a month with 60 points. Awesome, right? It may be worth studying the assessment requirements in detail and "tweaking" your application for the correct ANZSCO code for that reason. Many people have some overlap between two or more codes, so pick the one that is most advantageous for you.
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Also, do I need to send in papers for my "electrical engineering" work if the "certification of employment" does not fully correspond to the requirements set by EA? The duties are missing, there is only the "title" on paper.
In my case, my service letter only mentioned that I worked as an Engineer. No job description was available. This was not a problem for me to get a possitive skills assessment from EA.

However, I think assessments are done on a case by case basis. Good luck.
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Dear Monika, I wanted to be more visible in the forum (did not get any replies the first time I posted in the forum), before you where so kind enough and gave me those so important answers for a new applicant. I am very grateful for those, just so you know. Ok, I understand that my education will be assessed and will give me 15 points, and counted as Professional Engineer at EA. BUT you are saying that ACS/EA/DIBP only need a bachelor degree to become "skilled", but in ACS's case you also need 2 year of relevant work experience connected to the education and nomination job class (not only the education), correct? Right now I understand that there is no advantage going with ACS if I only have 2 years of relevant IT-work experience, I may as well go with EA where I do not need any work experience, is that correct? If getting assessed as "skilled" with EA only requires my degree, then will there be any advantage sending papers for all my IT-related work? Also, do I need to send in papers for my "electrical engineering" work if the "certification of employment" does not fully correspond to the requirements set by EA? The duties are missing, there is only the "title" on paper. I mean, if I get my 60 points, then I don't want to waste to much time on preparing so much other papers that unfortunately can take a lot of time. How important is it to get some extra points for work for the entire application processing time to get my skilled independent 189 visa? Monika, do you know which accreditation method I should follow: Do I have non-recognised Engineering qualifications ..or.. Do I have accredited Engineering qualifications ? Wish you all the best and thank you for your answers! /Dan
I think going for electrical eng is the best choice( in both SOL&CSOL, so good for both 189,190s with 60 points, no work exp deduction, high ceiling...)
I think you need a CDR with 3 career episodes as your degree is non- recognised
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Yes, you are correct. One point you may wish to consider are the "dates of effect" for the different occupations. Most engineering/ICT occupation were put under pro-rata arrangements (see SkillSelect Reports), which means they have their own wait queues for 189 EOIs, so you may need a higher points score than 60 points to have a chance to get an invite this year.

Example: Last invitation round from 10 February 2014:
In unit group 2611xx (ICT Business and Systems Analysts) you needed at least 70 points to get an invite. In unit group 2613xx (Software and Applications Programmers) and 2334xx (Electronics Engineers) you needed at least 65 points. Now, the interesting thing is that 2631xx (Computer and Networks Professionals) is not under pro-rata arrangements, so they are in the general queue, where you can get an invite within a month with 60 points. Awesome, right? It may be worth studying the assessment requirements in detail and "tweaking" your application for the correct ANZSCO code for that reason. Many people have some overlap between two or more codes, so pick the one that is most advantageous for you.
In my case I think I would be nominated under the 233311 Electrical Engineer ANZSCO code and not as 2334xx Electronics Engineer.
But I understand your point with the prioritization of job codes, very good point, I will consider that.

I just need to understand the accreditation now if I choose to go with EA.

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