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Friends,

I had a quick question. I was browsing a couple sites trying to read and learn about immigrating to Australia. I've already mentioned before that I'm stuck between Aus or Canada. It looks like I will be able to get Canadian PR very easily since my occupation (Petroleum Engineer) is on their most wanted skills list. I'm worried about the Canadian winters and was looking at Aus as well. It looks like Petroleum Engineering is listed on the MODL but not on the CSL list from this link:
Critical Skills List: Australian Visa Bureau

However, in this link they explain the CSL in detail and it states that Petroleum Engineering is on the CSL.
Jobs Guide -Australia still needs skills.
"Oil & Gas (Engineers listed on Critical Skills List): There has been strong demand in Australia within the CSM (Coal Seam Methane) Gas Industry including BG, Origin Energy, Senior level exploration and production facilities engineers, as well as subsurface and sub-sea candidates."

Can anyone tell me if I'm looking at this wrong? Does anyone know how much longer it will take if I'm on the MODL vs CSL? I'm an Indian citizen presently working in the US (H1B visa) with 2 years experience as a Petroleum Engineer (Production). Is it worth applying to Australia with this current economic downturn with regards to jobs in my field etc? I trying searching the various websites for jobs but couldn't find much for Petroleum Engineers.

Another quick question - I've sat for the IELTS exam in Jan 2007 and have a score of 8.0/9.0 in total. I notice that IELTS exam scores are valid only two years, so does this mean I have to take it again or can I request a waiver since I have two engineering degrees (Bachelors and Masters in Engineering) from the US? I'm just wondering if it's even possible since in order to get my skills assessed by Engineers Australia they require my IELTS scores as well. Please let me know when you get a chance.

Many thanks!

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I received my degree from the US in EE, and I applied to get my degree evaluated. I talked to them about the IELTS thing (I didn't want to take it since I have been studying in the US all my life), and they said it's ok. You can email them yourself and find out if they will allow it. Since your degree falls under the Washington Accord, most likely you do not have to take the IELTS, but check nonetheless.

Furthermore, Washington Accord only applies to your degree before your master's. Check to see how your Master's can affect you. If it is a negative effect, then don' send your Master's degree transcript. I remember reading on their site that they only evaluate degrees under Washington Accord if it's a BSc, not Msc.

Currently, they are going by the order of processing, 1. employer sponsor 2. state/territory sponsor 3. CSL 4. MODL 5. all others. That means that unless you are in the first three categories, you may have a long time to wait to get your PR since they are giving priority to those 3 categories. Many have actually changed their application from 175 independent to 176 state sponsored to get ahead in the queue when they found out their occupations were dropped from CSL. Yes, it is freezing cold in CAN, but you are more likely to get your visa from CAN sooner. Check to see what their wait time is as far as PR grants go.

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I received my degree from the US in EE, and I applied to get my degree evaluated. I talked to them about the IELTS thing (I didn't want to take it since I have been studying in the US all my life), and they said it's ok. You can email them yourself and find out if they will allow it. Since your degree falls under the Washington Accord, most likely you do not have to take the IELTS, but check nonetheless.

Furthermore, Washington Accord only applies to your degree before your master's. Check to see how your Master's can affect you. If it is a negative effect, then don' send your Master's degree transcript. I remember reading on their site that they only evaluate degrees under Washington Accord if it's a BSc, not Msc.

Currently, they are going by the order of processing, 1. employer sponsor 2. state/territory sponsor 3. CSL 4. MODL 5. all others. That means that unless you are in the first three categories, you may have a long time to wait to get your PR since they are giving priority to those 3 categories. Many have actually changed their application from 175 independent to 176 state sponsored to get ahead in the queue when they found out their occupations were dropped from CSL. Yes, it is freezing cold in CAN, but you are more likely to get your visa from CAN sooner. Check to see what their wait time is as far as PR grants go.
Thank you for your quick reply. I will email the Skills assessment authorities and check to see if I need the IELTS. Although, when I check the requirements for PR it seems like I need the IELTS for both immigration requirements for those 20 points and for the skills assessment. Can I write to the immigration authorities and plead my case the same way saying that I took it in Jan 2007 and got an 8.0 and submit that score? Please let me know if this is possible or if I should take it regardless.

When you say MODL takes longer, how long are we talking about? Around 1-1.5 years? Also, to answer your question, yes I believe I might end up getting the Canada PR sooner (I was told I'd get it in 6-12 months) with a 98% chance of getting it. I'm not sure now, I would like to go to Aus since it seems like the life there is laid back and I can enjoy more sunshine. I'm just worried about reaching those shores much later than I would if I applied to Canada and not landing a job in Petroleum Engineering...

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Good people,
I emailed the Engineers Australia and they sent me the following reply with regards to being assessed as a Petroleum Engineer ( my masters degree is in Petroleum Engineering and I have two years work experience in the oil & gas sector, even though my bachelor's degree is in Aerospace Engineering ) and also regarding having to take the IELTS again since I have taken it in the past. This is what they had to say:

"Thank you for your enquiries.

If your bachelor degree is accredited under the Washington Accord (WA) (which recognises the accredited bachelor engineering degrees), you can be assessed as an Aerospace Engineer (ASCO 2129-11) by making an application under the WA.

As the migration skills assessment is based primarily on your undergraduate engineering qualification, however, considering you have done a Master degree specialised in the Petroleum field and you have also gained good experiences by working as a petroleum Engineer, if you are seeking to be recognised as a Petroleum Engineer, you may make a Competency Demonstration Report (CDR) application.

Regarding the IELTS, as you have done degrees in the US, for your migration skills assessment, you are eligible to seek an exemption from the IELTS."

I had a couple questions if you'd be so kind to answer them...
Firstly, If I were to apply for an assessment under Aerospace Engineering, will I be able to look for Petroleum Engineering jobs after getting my PR? I don't really want to do the CDR if I can avoid it since it seems like it's a very long and laborious form including a summary statement that I have to fill out in detail.

Secondly, they said that I could avoid taking the IELTS for the skills assessment. Do I still need to take it to get 25 points under English language ability? If I get the IELTS waived by the skills assessment people do I automatically get a waiver on the other side as well? Please help... Thank you very much for your input.

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HI

You can take whichever job you want after you have your visa in hand.

Yes to get the points you have to take IELTS but try the state sponsored way, that gives you points too. A lot of people, even form teh UD or UK, who are not supposed to tk the IELTS end up taking it for those extra points. But if your skill is in the state list, not only you manage those extra points, you also get there faster.

Skill assessment folks have nothing to do with the IELTS. We got our skill assessed first and took the IELTS only when we were ready to file the application.

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ok, 1) no, you do not get exempted from taking the IELTS from DIAC even if Engineers Australia expemts you. Unless you have a passport from either UK, US, CAN, and a couple of other Western, english-speaking nations, you will not be exempt from taking the IELTS. You should re-take it anyway since getting the 25 points would be piece of cake for you. And as far as I know, they only allow you 2 years of IELTS score to be valid. If by the end of those 2 years (before the 2 year date runs out) you have not lodged your application, you will have to re-take the exam again.

2) Yu can do any job you like once you get your PR. It has nothing to do with your degree evaluation by Engineers AU. Yea, the CDR seems like a very hard form to do, requiring alot of patience. Just get your degree evaluated as an Aerospace Engineer if Petroleum engineering is not under CSL. If either of those degrees are under CSL, you should do CDR, but for MODL, I would not waste my time or effort.

3) Im not sure how long it takes for the MODL to arrive. There are some people here who have been waiting for a long time to get their visas. Ask anj or other mods about it. You can also try looking into state sponsorship, 176. See any of the states want petroleum engineers or aerospace engineers. The only thing about it is that you would have to commit yourself to that state for 2 years. Everything else is the same as 175. Have you thought about doing both? Why not do both CAN and AUS at the same time? See which one gives to you first. I think you can still work as an H-1B if you explain your job situation to CAN (since most likely you will get your CAN PR first) that you have a very good job in US, then they might just want you to valiudate your passport and then return to US for work purposes. After your H-1B is over or however long your AUS visa to come in takes, you can choose to either keep your CAN visa or your AUS visa.

Look, I think you have lots of options here to try. Maybe you should look into agents to find out exactly what your options are to make the best decision for yourself. There are so many options available taht it is best to know about them all from an informed agent before applying for PR to any country. Also, look at the sticky posts on the top of the forum to get the information. They have a wealth of information regarding immigration and options.

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There are some people here who have been waiting for a long time to get their visas. Ask anj or other mods about it..
Hehe..ask anj about people waiting fr so long or look at her. hehe.. I have seen more thn 40 visas since I joined the forum.. and then I was made the mod but the visa still did not come. hehe

ok jokes apart, keep your options open, we have not given up and wont. I even thought of applying for Canada but I have spent a lot of money on AU, might as well wait, if this doesnt happen then we go the Canada way. We applied for 175 Independent PR in Sept 08, then we heard about the CSL and priority processing, we applied for Victoria state sponsorship and got rejected, we then applied for ACT and are waiting since April. I am now thinking what if we dont get ACT sponsorship, what then, though I am sure we will make it but still want a backup plan. I dont like being unaware of things and being in tough situations, so far my being well equipped (as far as knowledge about things go) has helped me, but u never know

so keep a backup plan.. find out as much as u can, read a lot..

bless u. wish u luck

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Tilla_07 and Anj1976,
Thank you both very much for your replies. I checked out the state sponsor bit and it looks like Petroleum Engineering is sponsored by Western Australia. It looks like I might end up needing to do the CDR either way, whether I choose to go the state sponsored route or just the regular MODL route. It's a bit frustrating because the CDR is just way too much work, besides I don't understand how or why the Govt of Australia doesn't accept higher qualifications than just the bachelors degree? Sorry, that was just my rant at the hierarchy down under.
Anyway, based on points - I seem to get the following:
30 points = Age Qualification
60 points = Aerospace Engineering/Petroleum Engineering (Both listed under MODL)
25 points = If I do well on the IELTS

That brings the grand total to 115. I need 5 more from somewhere to qualify under the MODL as an Aerospace Engineer. I can easily get 130 Points as a Petroleum Engineer because of my work experience but this means I need to complete the *shudder* CDR. Do you guys think it is worth it? I can try to get state sponsorship from Western Australia as a Petroleum Engineer, but in order for that to happen, I need to get my skills assessed as a Petroleum Engineer right?

It looks like I might be doomed to complete the CDR if I wish to apply for the immigration process. Has anyone done the CDR before? How long is it typically supposed to be? Can someone provide me with something they have worked on before so I can read it and get a better understanding?

Tilla_07, like you said the other option would be for me to apply to Canada and then continue working in the US if I end up getting my PR there. Apparently a total of 2 out of 5 years need to be accumulated to keep your status active as a Canadian permanent resident after you activate it.

Any pointers guys? Pep talk? A slap in the face maybe to get me going in the right direction?
You guys have been great help so far, thank you so much!

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Ok, a slap on the face I can do (j/k). Have you tried searching through the forum to see if others had done CDR? Im sure there are tons of people who have done it or had questions about it.

Also you have to choose for yourself. Why do you want to be a PR of another country? Is it any particular country you want to migrate to, why or why not? What are your needs that a foreign nation can fulfill that your home country cannot provide? What sacrifices are you willing to make to become a PR (cold, hot, insects, employment, etc)? Only you can make this decision yourself. Also, try the employment route. See if there is any company that are willing to sponsor you to go work at AU. Heck, see if the company you are working for in US has a branch in AU that they will relocate you at.

I know CDR is alot of work. Trust me, I had never been happier to not have to do that and get my skills letter within 10 days after sending in the mail. But if I had to do the degree evaluation, then I would have done it anyway, and I prob would have gone with an agent to help me with it. Look, just do a consultation with an agent to explore all your options. Usually the first cnsultation is free, but if it's not, it will still be worth it to know what you can do.

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oh one other thing, do you have a spouse? Check to see if that will get any more points if you do. Also, is your native language a local language in AU? There is a list of languages in the DIAC website that they say if you are an expert at (they check through your educational background or you can take a test to prove it through NAATI), they will give you 5 more points. That's another route you can try to.

HEY WAIT, you should get MODL points too!!!! 15 MODL points should be given to you. Well, you had to have worked as an aerospace engineer. I mean, if you never worked as an aerspace engineer, no matter how many point you have, you will not qualify for the skilled visas at all.

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