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This is out of the topic. But I have a serious question that is haunting me from quite some time.
What is the future of 189 dreamers.
Post November16, I can have a maximum of 85 points. What will be my chances of getting a PR. Should I still put hope on 189 visa. If not, what are my other alternatives.
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I will be on the same boat. I reckon we will still have a chance being 85 pointers after December.

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[QUOTE=NB;14947974]The government has to be bothered with the entire migration figures just not who comes under what quota
an unskilled spouse adds to the total population of the country and uses all resources just as much as a skilled spouse , but does not pay taxes
A skilled spouse should get a higher weightage then a single applicant and not be treated at par
But as I said in an earlier post, the 10 points for bachelor has been given only to keep the international students happy that they have a shot at PR

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I would agree to a certain extent that this move is to favor students.

However I would disagree that a skilled spouse should get a higher weightage.
If 1 skilled couple = 2 visas, what is wrong with giving 2 skilled individuals = 2 visas?

If spouse is skilled and single applicant is skilled, why should just the FACT of having a spouse be considered a 'special; skill that warrants for additional 5 points, which you are aware, make or break the EOI?

The benefits that 'you find 2 people in one application' is a moot point considering the backlog of applications the dept has. It is a matter of them looking to optimise their process, not at the cost of a single applicant losing out on 5 points. I do not accept your argument.

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The government has to be bothered with the entire migration figures just not who comes under what quota
an unskilled spouse adds to the total population of the country and uses all resources just as much as a skilled spouse , but does not pay taxes
A skilled spouse should get a higher weightage then a single applicant and not be treated at par
But as I said in an earlier post, the 10 points for bachelor has been given only to keep the international students happy that they have a shot at PR

Cheers[/QUOTE

I would agree to a certain extent that this move is to favor students.

However I would disagree that a skilled spouse should get a higher weightage.
If 1 skilled couple = 2 visas, what is wrong with giving 2 skilled individuals = 2 visas?

If spouse is skilled and single applicant is skilled, why should just the FACT of having a spouse be considered a 'special; skill that warrants for additional 5 points, which you are aware, make or break the EOI?

The benefits that 'you find 2 people in one application' is a moot point considering the backlog of applications the dept has. It is a matter of them looking to optimise their process, not at the cost of a single applicant losing out on 5 points. I do not accept your argument.
You are analysing the process what’s best for you
I am analysing the process from the view of what’s best for Australia
The skilled migration program is separate from the humanitarian program

So who is the best applicant for Australia under this program :

A young couple under 30s who are both skilled and will be earning top dollars, paying taxes, buying property and contributing to the general consumption cycle
As they are young , they will not be a burden medically for several decades
The uncertainties in this category of the applicants is least to achieve the above objectives

2 singles will ultimately become 4 as the chances of them bringing a wife from their home country is very high
So when you are granting PR to 2 singles, you are more or less committing to allowing 4 people to enter Australia and that’s the figure you have to take into account when calculating the effect on population growth

So obviously a skilled couple should get the top priority

But just to appease the international students, they are being treated at par

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The government has to be bothered with the entire migration figures just not who comes under what quota
an unskilled spouse adds to the total population of the country and uses all resources just as much as a skilled spouse , but does not pay taxes
A skilled spouse should get a higher weightage then a single applicant and not be treated at par
But as I said in an earlier post, the 10 points for bachelor has been given only to keep the international students happy that they have a shot at PR

Cheers[/QUOTE

I would agree to a certain extent that this move is to favor students.

However I would disagree that a skilled spouse should get a higher weightage.
If 1 skilled couple = 2 visas, what is wrong with giving 2 skilled individuals = 2 visas?

If spouse is skilled and single applicant is skilled, why should just the FACT of having a spouse be considered a 'special; skill that warrants for additional 5 points, which you are aware, make or break the EOI?

The benefits that 'you find 2 people in one application' is a moot point considering the backlog of applications the dept has. It is a matter of them looking to optimise their process, not at the cost of a single applicant losing out on 5 points. I do not accept your argument.
You are analysing the process what’s best for you
I am analysing the process from the view of what’s best for Australia
The skilled migration program is separate from the humanitarian program

So who is the best applicant for Australia under this program :

A young couple under 30s who are both skilled and will be earning top dollars, paying taxes, buying property and contributing to the general consumption cycle
As they are young , they will not be a burden medically for several decades
The uncertainties in this category of the applicants is least to achieve the above objectives

2 singles will ultimately become 4 as the chances of them bringing a wife from their home country is very high
So when you are granting PR to 2 singles, you are more or less committing to allowing 4 people to enter Australia and that’s the figure you have to take into account when calculating the effect on population growth

So obviously a skilled couple should get the top priority

But just to appease the international students, they are being treated at par

Cheers
Fair enough.



hahaha I do not know how the 'humanitarian' angle got in there when we are discussing skilled migrants.



However wouldn't bringing 2 singles that would eventually become 2 families, contribute as future generations of tax payers as mentioned in one of the earlier points? Wouldn't those families also buy properties and pay taxes?



On the contrary instead of a couple buying 1 property and 2 paying taxes, there would be 2 families, buying 2 properties and worst case scenario - 2 paying taxes (I would say 3-4 but I will remain conservative).



Additionally, you might say that a couple have more serviceability in securing loans for properties whereas singles might find it hard. That would only result in the single becoming a part of the thriving group of people who rent from owners (that benefit from negative gearing) that help pay their own loans. The constant outflow of money per person is quite similar barring council rates and other relative expenses which the owner would pay anyway per property

All I am saying is, there might be very negligible aspects putting couples ahead, but you cannot write off singles and award couples 5 points that make a HUGE difference.



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What I have seen is they are pretty reactive in their sudden decisions. Like a) Renaming 457 to 482 suddenly but just with few modifications, b) Implementing new regional visas mid financial year following election c) Just inviting 100 people for months due to staff shortages or enough invitations in pipeline or whatevs d) Hoping people would go to regional areas and stay there for 3 years irrespective of any job prospects etc

I don't reckon if DoHA or any policy makers have thought about this so deeply like you guys are thinking from all angles. lol

Whatever happens, I'm not risking to go to regional areas without any job prospects or real infrastructure there. As an expat here, I know the real picture and can clearly see how under developed regional areas are. For example in seek.com.au there are no jobs in any regional areas for my profession and in Adelaide there are only very few and some of them mentioned need PR / citizens. So whats the point? One of my friend in Adelaide said, for a small job in petrol bunk, atleast 50+ ppl turned up for interview. And in Canberra, most of them are govt jobs and would need PR / citizenship.

There is no point in arguing singles vs couples or winging about low invitations. We can't change it or influence it. Just accept the fact for whatever it is. When it comes it comes, if not it sucks.

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Hi guys, a basic question.. skilled wife should be of same profession or any profession as long as coming under MLTSSL..

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Hi guys, a basic question.. skilled wife should be of same profession or any profession as long as coming under MLTSSL..
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Hi Guys,

I am also in the queue since May this year. 75 points in 2613 and going to lose 5 points in Feb when I turn 33. I have a question about the skilled spouse. I couldn't find the code for my spouse in ANZSCO list since she is working in compliance and fraud. Does that mean she isn't skilled? Does she needs to be in the same SOL as mine and exactly what does this mean?

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