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Claiming Partner's Point (189) - All Questions

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#1 · (Edited)
Hi Experts,

I have applied for 189 (under 261313) on 6-march-19 with 75 points and 190 NSW with 80 points. However, now looking at the current trend of EOI movement i am thinking of claiming 5 additional points for partner's skill. I have few questions/doubts and i will be highly grateful if you could answer below questions:

1) My wife is an electronics engineer (but no relevant experience) and an MBA finance with 4 years of relevant experience. Both the codes electronics engineer and accountant (general) are in same skills list as mine. So i can claim 5 points with any of the positive skills assessment (electronics engineer or accountant)?

2) Is an MBA finance degree (from India) is enough to get the positive skills assessment from CPA? If any member with past experience could comment.
We want to go ahead with the accountant skill assessment as turnaround time as well as fees are quite low when compared to EA.

3) Do we need to show relevant experience as well to claim partner's point? as my wife doesn't have experience as electronics engineer but she has 4 years of experience as financial analyst (accountant general) so should i go ahead with accountant? Though, i have checked website of Engineers Australia and CPA both and for skills assessment they don't need relevant experience (like ACS)

4) and most important - on DOHA site i found following rules
Partner skills

You can receive five points if, when you are invited to apply for this visa, your partner provides evidence that they:

a) were under 45 years old
b) had competent English
c) had nominated a skilled occupation that is on the same skilled occupation list as your nominated skilled occupation
d) had a suitable skills assessment from the relevant assessing authority for their nominated skilled occupation, and the assessment wasn’t for a Subclass 485 visa.

If i understand the highlighted text correctly, i can claim partners point now and i only have to show evidence when i am invited to apply, is this understanding correct? or should i get the positive skills assessment before claiming partner's point in my EOI?

This will make a great difference as i will lose 5 points from 1 Nov because of age and want to have an invite in hand hopefully before that.

Please provide you inputs on above questions. any other comments/suggestions are also most welcome :)
 
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#2 ·
Hi Akshay.

Hope you get the answers to your queries. Unfortunately, I can't answer any of your questions; rather I have a question for you.

My wife to be has also been working as a financial analyst/manager in a bank for 4 years. Her qualifications are B Sc. IT and MBA in Marketing.

I was thinking of getting her assessed as a Financial Investment Manager or a Financial Institution Branch Manager but both of them aren't a part of the MLTSSL.

Are you sure we can get our respective spouses assessed as an Accountant (General)? Do the roles and responsibilities match?
 
#3 ·
Hi Kunsal,

I am no expert on this but can comment based on my research on the same in last few days. If you check CPA (assessing authority for accountants) website, they have mentioned a list of subjects that must be covered in someone's degree to have a positive assessment. So you can check the transcript (MBA) with that list and figure out yourself but for a marketing MBA i doubt that list will match :(.

BSC IT might have landed you a positive assessment from ACS but you will need atleast 2 years of relevant experience to show.

So, i think you are also in a tricky situation like me!
 
#5 ·
Thanks for the quick response, Akshay.

Yes, seems I too am in a tricky situation. Been looking for a way for some days now to get 5 points from my partner's qualification and experience.

Just a quick question, to get a positive assessment from CPA or any other assessing authority, can either a qualification assessment or an experience assessment suffice or do I have to get both the qualification and the experience assessed?
 
#4 ·
1. YES

2. No idea

3. No experience necessary as long as she gets positive assessment from the skills assessment agency
See the website of the agencies for their experience requirements to give a positive assessment

4. You can claim points only when you fulfill all the 4 conditions. So get the skills assessment and English score in hand and then only claim points

Cheers
 
#9 · (Edited)
Hello,

Could someone please help me in understanding if I can claim partner points-
My wife has BE degree in Electronics and Communications. However, her work experience is in HR and Support field, hence totally unrelated. She has a total work experience of 4 years 8 months. But her last job was in 2014, so she has been unemployed for the last 5 years.
What are our chances, when it comes to claiming spouse points? Is it possible that we can submit for skill assessment of her degree alone, without considering her work experience as it is not related?
I am the primary applicant - 233211 Civil engineer.
Both our job codes fall in the same category.

Please help!

Thanks,
Arun
 
#10 ·
You have to get her skills assessment done to claim spouse points
Just having her degree assessed, will not help you

1. Identify the Anzsco code that meets her RnR the best
2. Then check the requirements of the code to get a positive assessment
3. Then see if she meets it or not

Cheers
 
#12 ·
As i said, you have to check the requirement of the skills assessment agency
For example in ACS if your degree is not related, 6 years of experience is deducted and you are given a positive assessment

So follow the steps given in my previous post

Also, please use the quote button when replying..it makes it easier to understand the context

Cheers
 
#14 ·
Hi All,

Please let me know your thoughts on this:

Facts:
I would be filing my EOI this month as I am awaiting my Skill Assessment from ACS.
I have a total of 70 points.
My wife is a Primary Teacher and her Job Code is not in the same SOL as mine, hence I can not claim partner 5 points in present scenario.

Hearsay: Post November changes I have heard that 10 points would be awarded to the applicant with a skilled spouse(Assessment Done) and has competent english.

Question: Does anyone have a clear understanding here if the above scenario would be applicable post November(where applicant & spouse should be in the same SOL) or would they be seeking applicants with spouses who are skilled and their job code could be from any list ?
 
#15 ·
Even now, if your wife is In STSOL, you can claim points under 190 but not under 189
I presume that the same rule will continue post November

Cheers
 
#23 ·
Dear Experts,

Since this topic has been extended to discuss about everyone's query, let me add mine too here to discuss about the possibilities of my wife's skill assessment.

My wife holds a Bachelor Degree in English Language & Literature (B.A English) from India and also holds a Fundamental Certificate in Early Childhood Care Education (FECCE - 4 months part time course) from Singapore. She had worked as a Primary Teacher for 2 years in India, and 1.5 years as Preschool Assistant Teacher in Singapore. I understand from AITSL that the minimum requirement to qualify for an assessment is to either have a 4 Years Degree in Education or 3 years Any Degree with 1 Year Post Graduate in Education along with IELTS 8877 band, and Level 3 Certificate for Early Childhood (If I'm correct).

Though she doesn't meet the minimum qualifications, with her work experiences, does she have a chance to get positive assessment from AITSL?

Has anyone had relevant experiences in the past with AITSL assessment?

Thanks in advance.

Yusuff.
 
#33 ·
Hi,

Even i am not 100% sure about this, but in my case i am thinking of 221111 (accountant general) for my spouse's skill assessment. You can go to CPA website and look for the qualifications required (subject studied) for positive skill assessment. In my knowledge work experience is not needed to get a positive skills assessment for accountant (general).

Thanks
 
#35 ·
Hi All,

I am the primary applicant with 70 points (189 visa), job code - 262112(MLTSS).

My spouse is a Primary Teacher (STSL) and has experience is close to 4 years in her job working for various schools in Delhi/NCR. She did her B.A.(Eng Hons) - 3 years and B.Ed - 1 Year and a 2 year Diploma.

The primary assessing body for Teachers is AITSL, and as per the information I have gathered through Expat Forum and other online research, hardly anyone in India has got a positive skill assessment result from AITSL as they have a stringent clause of 45 days of supervised teaching during the course to meet Australian Teaching Standards.

Now, my questions:
1. Can I get my spouse assessed on the basis of her graduation for any other generic job code and get a positive skill assessment ?
2. If Yes, Can I claim points for that after November changes kick in ?
3. Do we both have to be on the same SOL to claim points for 189 visa after 16 November ?

Looking forward to your responses...


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#37 ·
Hi,

Does anyone has a letter format for a college to prove the spouse English competency?

Regards,
Amit
I found the following format on the forum sometime back. Below text should be printed on College official letter head, stamps and signature from authority are also required i think:

This letter is in reference to the Australian visa application of [Candidate Name]. [He/She] was a student of the [University/College Name], from [From Date] to [To Date], and completed her [Degree Name] in [Course Name] bearing register no: [Registration Number]. The details of the subjects studied are available in [her/his] mark sheets.

The medium of the study was in ENGLISH during the complete tenure of the full course. She has good oral and written communication skills in English.
 
#41 ·
Can anyone help me in understanding in claiming partner points for 189 visa.

Myself the primary holder with (261312 Developer Programmer- MLTSSL) with Electronics and communication engineering having 8 years work exp in India and 1 year in Australia.

My wife has BE degree in computer science engineering and 4 years of work experience as a software tester (so 261313 Software Tester - Combined list of eligible skilled occupations)

I have PTE 20 points and applied for ACS verification.

Clarifications on ACS:
Do partner skill verification is required? if so, how much points I can claim?

Clarification on 189 Visa:
Both our job codes falls in a different category? will that be a problem for claiming partner visa?
A partner should give PTE is that mandatory?

(As we already have 75 points without partner PTE. Please suggest should I need to wait for partner points (5/10) then apply for 189 visa.?

If I get partner points which is th right time to apply (before November 2019 or after November 2019)

Please help!

Thanks,
Vinod Yashas
 
#42 ·
Software tester is 261314 not 261313
You have to be very careful in quoting Anzsco codes or you will get wrong answers

If your wife did automated testing, she can get assessed under 261313 as software engineer
If not, she can get assessed under 261314
If you want to claim spouse points, she has to get a positive skills assessment and competent English score

Under 261313, you can claim spouse points under 189 and 190 both
Under 261314 you can claim spouse points only under 190
Skilled spouse points are 5 currently but will go upto 10 from 16 November

You can submit your application right away and add the spouse points as and when she becomes eligible
I hope you are aware that You can claim 5 points for spouse English without any skills assessment if she has a competent English score from 16 nov


Cheers
 
#43 ·
Thank you, for clarifications.

My wife worked in automation testing but the designation they are given is Senior Software Test Engineer. Can we get assessed under 261313? Will, there will be any problem? What is the proof we have to submit for ACS.
We have already got a letter with roles and responsibilities from a company with letterhead and some automation testing points mentioned in the letter.

And, First company she worked for automation project but as per company, they have given a designation as a software test engineer.
What is the proof we can submit for that for ACS?
And moreover, the company is closed and we got her colleague contact but she works in different company. Can we get statutory attested from her colleague?

For your above answer - Under 261314 you can claim spouse points only under 190
IF she has to get a positive skills assessment and competent English score can we able to apply in 189??

Hoping im disturbing you lot.

Thanks,
Vinod Yash
 
#44 · (Edited)
Whether she will get a positive assessment under software engineer or not, will depend on the assessor in ACS
But based on what you have written the chances are there
It’s a risk worth taking
Unless she gets a positive assessment under 261313 , she cannot be a primary applicant under 189 and neither can you claim spouse points
You can get a colleague SD also if the company is closed

It is the RNR which is important and not the designation
But make sure that you don’t fabricate the RnR just to get a positive assessment
You should have experience letter and salary slips etc.
Read the ACS guidelines to understand what all you need to apply for ACS assessment

https://www.acs.org.au/content/dam/...t Guidelines for Applicants V5-6 Aug 2018.pdf

Also go through this thread carefully

https://www.expatforum.com/expats/a...-australia-what-you-need-know-read-first.html

Cheers
 
#49 ·
Hi NB,

Urgent help required.

My wife got a statutory declaration from India with ex-colleague on E stamp paper and did a notary.

Now we stay in Sydney and applying for ACS for my wife.

Do we need to get attested in Indian embassy here also or just a JP signature is enough for E stamp paper(Notary is done).
 
#50 ·
Once a notary is done in india, it does not even require a JP signature again
You can scan it as it is

Cheers
 
#52 ·
Yes , I did
BTW , some of The changes are applicable for reference letters also

Good thing that ACS is plugging the holes
Cheers
 
#53 ·
Just a clarification

In claiming partner points for 189 PR

Below mentioned all 3 points are mandatory ? Or if partner any one of these is enough ?

My partner should be aged Under 45
My partner has competent English ability
My partner can pass skill assessment In an occupation on the applicable Skilled occupations list of my subclass.

Because, one of my friends partner has skilled occupation list without partner PTE is this valid .?
 
#54 · (Edited)
Nope

All 3 conditions have to be met
There is no ifs and buts

After 16 Nov you may be able to claim 5 points for spouse competent English only if she doesn’t have skills assessment , but without competent English, bad luck. No points

Cheers

Cheers
 
#55 ·
I'm actually freaking out. I have am on 80 points, with EOI on the 10th of september. from november I'll have 90 points (single). My graduate visa expires on the 30th of January.

If my 485 expires and I still haven't received an invitation, does that mean that when I get an invitation once I'm offshore, I won't be eligible for a bridging visa?

Do you guys reckon I have chance to get an invitation? currently they are only giving invitations to 85 and 90 pointers in my profession.
 
#56 ·
If you are offshore, you won’t get a Bridging visa

Cheers
 
#57 ·
Both Self and Partner submitting EOIs.

Hi Guys,

As of now we are waiting with 85 points for 189 and 90 points for 190 VIC with 261312 ANZSCO code. My wife is the primary applicant and we are in the queue from 30th Oct 2019.

1) Is there any point if I apply myself as a primary applicant for 190 VIC with score being 75 point. The only reason for this thought is I am working for an Australia based company and was thinking if that will have any positive edge.

2) Also, if the ACS is not expired (2yrs) and my wife working for the same company can we claim additional 5 points if her experience cross 8+ yrs or do we need to re-apply for ACS.

Appreciate your expert advise.
 
#58 ·
Hi Guys,

As of now we are waiting with 85 points for 189 and 90 points for 190 VIC with 261312 ANZSCO code. My wife is the primary applicant and we are in the queue from 30th Oct 2019.

1) Is there any point if I apply myself as a primary applicant for 190 VIC with score being 75 point. The only reason for this thought is I am working for an Australia based company and was thinking if that will have any positive edge.

2) Also, if the ACS is not expired (2yrs) and my wife working for the same company can we claim additional 5 points if her experience cross 8+ yrs or do we need to re-apply for ACS.

Appreciate your expert advise.
1. If you have completed all the assessment and English test, then submit the EOI
What do you have to lose

2. If she is working for the same company, job, designation, location and RnR, then she can claim points without reassessment with minimal risk
If even one of the above changes, she should get reassessed

Cheers
 
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