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I hold a BEng Electrical and Electronic Engineering (with Honours)(3 years) degree from the University of Manchester (UK). Couple of months ago I tried to get accredited as a Professional Electrical Engineer (233311) by Engineers Australia. I lodged my MSA application under the Sydney Accord, as it was the only option for my degree. EA emailed me saying that it is impossible for a 3-year UK degree holder to be accredited as a professional engineer (even if I apply through CDR), the only outcome they can give is Engineering Technologist. That sounds unfair and absurd to me. Does that also mean that if I had 10 years of experience as an engineer I would still not get accredited by EA as a professional engineer?


Could someone experienced on this matter share his/her experience and give me advice please?

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What was their outcome about your degree? Is it recognized as equiualent to Bachelor degree?
May be for professional engineer they require 4-year course.
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I hold a BEng Electrical and Electronic Engineering (with Honours)(3 years) degree from the University of Manchester (UK). Couple of months ago I tried to get accredited as a Professional Electrical Engineer (233311) by Engineers Australia. I lodged my MSA application under the Sydney Accord, as it was the only option for my degree. EA emailed me saying that it is impossible for a 3-year UK degree holder to be accredited as a professional engineer (even if I apply through CDR), the only outcome they can give is Engineering Technologist. That sounds unfair and absurd to me. Does that also mean that if I had 10 years of experience as an engineer I would still not get accredited by EA as a professional engineer?


Could someone experienced on this matter share his/her experience and give me advice please?
I'm not qualified or experienced in your occupation.

But the Engineers Australia website is pretty clear that a Professional Engineer category requires a recognised or accredited 4 year degree, and a person with a recognised or accredited 3 year degree will be classified as an Engineering Technologist: https://www.engineersaustralia.org.a...nal-Categories

If you have extensive experience as a Professional Engineer, perhaps you could ask EA if they might accept recognition of this through you providing an appropriate Competency Demonstration Report (CDR) - I have no idea if they would, but it might be worth asking.
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I'm not qualified or experienced in your occupation.

But the Engineers Australia website is pretty clear that a Professional Engineer category requires a recognised or accredited 4 year degree, and a person with a recognised or accredited 3 year degree will be classified as an Engineering Technologist:

If you have extensive experience as a Professional Engineer, perhaps you could ask EA if they might accept recognition of this through you providing an appropriate Competency Demonstration Report (CDR) - I have no idea if they would, but it might be worth asking.
Thank you for your reply! Almost all bachelor engineering degrees in the UK are 3-year, which means (According to EA logic) all UK bachelor engineers are not qualified to work as professional engineers in Australia?

TBH, I do not care about the recognition per se; the problem is that they place every UK engineering degree holder in Engineering Technologist group, which is a pro-rata occupation(2339 Other Engineering Professionals), hence there is very little chance to get 189 visa.

What frustrated me the most is that they replied to me saying: "It is unlikely for an individual to gain the level of professional even via the CDR pathway with a 3 year qualification", which implies that no extensive experience would help on this matter.

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What was their outcome about your degree? Is it recognized as equiualent to Bachelor degree?
May be for professional engineer they require 4-year course.
Many thanks for your reply! The outcome was Engineering Technologist (2339 Other Engineering Professionals)

According to their booklet and website, a professional engineer needs to hold 4-year degree, which sounds absurd to me, as the length of the degree has nothing to do with the professionalism of its holder. To me, professional experience in the related field should play more prominent role in the accreditation process than the length of your degree.

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You are qualified to work as a professional engineer in Australi a. They only create a problem to get visa.
They are telling it themself. For example, assessor told to my fiance "you can have a position of civil engineer, market will accrpt you, potential employer will accept you but for immigration purpose we can give you ET according to your CDR".
Same happens with work experience - "for immigration purpose" only experience gained after getting Bachelor degree is counted but employer will value all experience (in my case its 5 and after degree but 10 totally)
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If you read the Booklet carefully, you will know that why your degree is relegated to Engineering Technologist (Sydney Accord). It clearly states that if a degree from the UK is listed with a Further Learning Requirement, then that degree is not accredited via the Washington Accord but Sydney Accord.

When you check your degree at Engineering Council United Kingdom (ECUK) which is the governed body of Engineering UK, you will notice that all 3 years Full time BEng(Hons) degrees are required Further Learning from 2005 intake. Only 4 years Full time MEng(Hons) degrees are fully recognized by ECUK according to Washington Accord.

Yes, it may sound frustration, but it is a game and the rules are set by them.
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