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hai..i`m new here..ashburn..did u get a job there in UAE?

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Yup, just got the offer. Now waiting for security clerance.

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Rents are going up massively, my 2 bed went up over 20k aed a year. They lifted restrictions on raising it so landlords are going apeshit. don't kid yourself about the ROC helping you out either. Pay gets reviewed in Feb, and we got nothing this year.
You make 100k and you want to take a job that pays, what, 80K? That 3 month bonus is BS. IF you even get one it is restricted to 2 months at best and that's if you save the sheiks life. Only locals get a full bonus. You will spend at least $5k on visas for the wife and kids unless you are hired on as a J grade. The cheapest school is 33k aed per kid, and that is for your basic sorry ass babysitting service, Real schools cost twice that. Again, for j grades and up only. newbies need to read the past 10-15 pages.

Rent increases are going crazy. People are signing a one year tenancy contract and immediately being served with 12 months' notice to leave. Landlords can only give notice for one of 4 reasons by law but in practice this is not adhered to and the greedy, expat landords just view EXPO as a licence to print money! Rents at 75k now for a 1 bed will soon push to 80-85k next year and may touch 100k the following year - almost $30k for RENT of a one bed apartment!!!

Schools are also increasing their fees and if you get the 25,000dhs allowance per child (according to pay grade), this won't even cover a decent school.

As rent increases though for everyone, costs for goods and services will also increase - businesses are also being hit for rent hikes for their staff accommodation. Groceries, meals out and entertainment will also go up (prediction is by 15% at least).

Can't see any increasing living allowance coming to employees - inflation is a fact of life the world over and isn't the employers concern.

Of course the other factor is tax on salary!

The UAE has just become a very, very expensive place to live and if you will not be making any financial gain, I just don't see the point in moving your wife and kids into a potentially inferior school, disrupting their education and living a sometimes lonely existence. It can be hard to make friends here as folks are so wrapped up in themselves.

Also bear in mind that there is ZERO job security, no recourse against 'redundancy' and practically no other employment laws which protect employees. One screw-up and you are out with zero notice.

If you come here with a family and big ideas to save some cash, do some serious number crunching as it may just not be worth it in the long run. You can't just rock up here with a few hundred bucks in your pocket - you need serious cash to get started even with car hire and daily expenses, cash gets eaten up fast.

Yes, there will be a settling allowance (take three months' with a pinch of salt!), but you have to pay upfront for accomodation (the days of 6 or even 4 cheques over a year are disappearing, most landlords now want half the rent up front), school fees, car hire, furnishings - the list is endless and all costs! Credit is easily available here but be very, very careful about missing payments, bouncing cheques or over-extending yourself. If you are terminated without notice you may find yourself in a very tight situation and without a passport to leave the country.

Sorry if I sound negative but I honestly think so many people arrive here thinking the streets are paved in gold and you can earn so much money. Those days are long gone sadly. It can be a long, hard slog to get up and running and is doubly hard with a family in tow. Lack of job security also has to be considered.

Bottom line - if you are only going to be slight better off, don't do it! The stress just ain't worth it.

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Rent increases are going crazy. People are signing a one year tenancy contract and immediately being served with 12 months' notice to leave. Landlords can only give notice for one of 4 reasons by law but in practice this is not adhered to and the greedy, expat landords just view EXPO as a licence to print money! Rents at 75k now for a 1 bed will soon push to 80-85k next year and may touch 100k the following year - almost $30k for RENT of a one bed apartment!!!

Schools are also increasing their fees and if you get the 25,000dhs allowance per child (according to pay grade), this won't even cover a decent school.

As rent increases though for everyone, costs for goods and services will also increase - businesses are also being hit for rent hikes for their staff accommodation. Groceries, meals out and entertainment will also go up (prediction is by 15% at least).

Can't see any increasing living allowance coming to employees - inflation is a fact of life the world over and isn't the employers concern.

Of course the other factor is tax on salary!

The UAE has just become a very, very expensive place to live and if you will not be making any financial gain, I just don't see the point in moving your wife and kids into a potentially inferior school, disrupting their education and living a sometimes lonely existence. It can be hard to make friends here as folks are so wrapped up in themselves.

Also bear in mind that there is ZERO job security, no recourse against 'redundancy' and practically no other employment laws which protect employees. One screw-up and you are out with zero notice.

If you come here with a family and big ideas to save some cash, do some serious number crunching as it may just not be worth it in the long run. You can't just rock up here with a few hundred bucks in your pocket - you need serious cash to get started even with car hire and daily expenses, cash gets eaten up fast.

Yes, there will be a settling allowance (take three months' with a pinch of salt!), but you have to pay upfront for accomodation (the days of 6 or even 4 cheques over a year are disappearing, most landlords now want half the rent up front), school fees, car hire, furnishings - the list is endless and all costs! Credit is easily available here but be very, very careful about missing payments, bouncing cheques or over-extending yourself. If you are terminated without notice you may find yourself in a very tight situation and without a passport to leave the country.

Sorry if I sound negative but I honestly think so many people arrive here thinking the streets are paved in gold and you can earn so much money. Those days are long gone sadly. It can be a long, hard slog to get up and running and is doubly hard with a family in tow. Lack of job security also has to be considered.

Bottom line - if you are only going to be slight better off, don't do it! The stress just ain't worth it.
Clownfish,

So you are saying if I sign a 1 year contract they are immediately going to turn around and give notice to move out? What area is that?

What about the schools? Are they in fact going up in price?

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Rent increases are going crazy. People are signing a one year tenancy contract and immediately being served with 12 months' notice to leave. Landlords can only give notice for one of 4 reasons by law but in practice this is not adhered to and the greedy, expat landords just view EXPO as a licence to print money! Rents at 75k now for a 1 bed will soon push to 80-85k next year and may touch 100k the following year - almost $30k for RENT of a one bed apartment!!!

Schools are also increasing their fees and if you get the 25,000dhs allowance per child (according to pay grade), this won't even cover a decent school.

As rent increases though for everyone, costs for goods and services will also increase - businesses are also being hit for rent hikes for their staff accommodation. Groceries, meals out and entertainment will also go up (prediction is by 15% at least).

Can't see any increasing living allowance coming to employees - inflation is a fact of life the world over and isn't the employers concern.

Of course the other factor is tax on salary!

The UAE has just become a very, very expensive place to live and if you will not be making any financial gain, I just don't see the point in moving your wife and kids into a potentially inferior school, disrupting their education and living a sometimes lonely existence. It can be hard to make friends here as folks are so wrapped up in themselves.

Also bear in mind that there is ZERO job security, no recourse against 'redundancy' and practically no other employment laws which protect employees. One screw-up and you are out with zero notice.

If you come here with a family and big ideas to save some cash, do some serious number crunching as it may just not be worth it in the long run. You can't just rock up here with a few hundred bucks in your pocket - you need serious cash to get started even with car hire and daily expenses, cash gets eaten up fast.

Yes, there will be a settling allowance (take three months' with a pinch of salt!), but you have to pay upfront for accomodation (the days of 6 or even 4 cheques over a year are disappearing, most landlords now want half the rent up front), school fees, car hire, furnishings - the list is endless and all costs! Credit is easily available here but be very, very careful about missing payments, bouncing cheques or over-extending yourself. If you are terminated without notice you may find yourself in a very tight situation and without a passport to leave the country.

Sorry if I sound negative but I honestly think so many people arrive here thinking the streets are paved in gold and you can earn so much money. Those days are long gone sadly. It can be a long, hard slog to get up and running and is doubly hard with a family in tow. Lack of job security also has to be considered.

Bottom line - if you are only going to be slight better off, don't do it! The stress just ain't worth it.

Ah, and it just keeps getting better... It's too bad they don't have a emoticon for a guy bent over getting the shaft. I'd put one here if they did.

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Clownfish,

So you are saying if I sign a 1 year contract they are immediately going to turn around and give notice to move out? What area is that?

What about the schools? Are they in fact going up in price?

BH

Happening in Dubai now. The rental market seems to operate a little differently in AD as most landlords seem to be locals who would rather their property be rented and looked after and not greedy ex-pats who would evict good tenants and leave the property empty hoping to gain a higher level of rent eventually than have it occupied for a lower rent. Greed is fuelling this ridiculous situation but that is a whole other thread!

I personally refuse to pay $30k for rent on a 1 bed apartment and when it gets to that level, I am outta here.
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Happening in Dubai now. The rental market seems to operate a little differently in AD as most landlords seem to be locals who would rather their property be rented and looked after and not greedy ex-pats who would evict good tenants and leave the property empty hoping to gain a higher level of rent eventually than have it occupied for a lower rent. Greed is fuelling this ridiculous situation but that is a whole other thread!

I personally refuse to pay $30k for rent on a 1 bed apartment and when it gets to that level, I am outta here.
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My position was made "Redundant" with the layoffs in August. At first I was bitter towards AMMROC, but now I see it as a blessing with everything that is happening in the UAE and with AMMROC.

Prospective employees beware, the level system is not a pay scale. It deals mainly with benefits. While I was with AMMROC there were J levels getting paid more than K levels.

Don't accept the first deal they offer, get the best deal that you can get. If you are offered an XA position, beware, that position does not exist in the policy and procedures so things that pertain to a "Level" do not pertain to an XA.

Last but not least, when it comes time to re-negotiate your contract, don't be surprised if they offer less than what you are on, that's how they do things. One individual rejected his offers 2 times until he was offered the same contract as he was on.

If you do decide to work for AMMROC, good luck. You will need it. If you are thinking about working for AMMROC, read from page 175.
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My position was made "Redundant" with the layoffs in August. At first I was bitter towards AMMROC, but now I see it as a blessing with everything that is happening in the UAE and with AMMROC.

Prospective employees beware, the level system is not a pay scale. It deals mainly with benefits. While I was with AMMROC there were J levels getting paid more than K levels.

Don't accept the first deal they offer, get the best deal that you can get. If you are offered an XA position, beware, that position does not exist in the policy and procedures so things that pertain to a "Level" do not pertain to an XA.

Last but not least, when it comes time to re-negotiate your contract, don't be surprised if they offer less than what you are on, that's how they do things. One individual rejected his offers 2 times until he was offered the same contract as he was on.

If you do decide to work for AMMROC, good luck. You will need it. If you are thinking about working for AMMROC, read from page 175.
So now what are you up to?

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