The Padron

[Xose]

Originally Posted by SteveHall

Wow, the police checking up on the address!!! Just shows how every council is different.

In Alicante, Rojales seems to do everything is possibly can to get people on the padrón whilst in neighbouring Orihuela everybody seems to have to jump through hoops!

I don't know why, but I guess there must be times when the ayuntamiento's records and you stating X&Y isn't enough for things and the requirement is an actual Certification.. by an official body, of who lives in the house. I had some red tape to sort out and it started out with the words "Certificado de Empadronamiento" but ended up with a "Copia de Empadronamiento conjunta" - i.e. the ayuntamiento's version of everyone that lived at that address. This does not surprise me as there are people all over the place living where they are not empadronados.

As for the case of an ayuntamiento not wanting to make it easy, even though they would get more money allocated, I suspect that with that money also comes responsibility. I know in the case of ours, getting building permits is getting harder because they're close to the point of limits on certain expensive infrustructure commitments - and budgets they don't have to meet their obligations - and a Brussels taking less and less crap from Spanish political powers. I understand that if the land grab etc., isn't sorted soon, Spain will miss out on Millions of € in allocation. That's got to hurt councils that have a lot yet to do and no money to do it with.

I'm living on a campsite at the moment and expect to stay here for a year or perhaps even longer. (It's a lot cheaper than owning or renting a house and I have a microscopic income.) I think this will be acceptable in an application for an NIE, which I hope to do this week, but what about the Padrón? Should I sign on here anyway? After all, I'm using the roads and rubbish bins, etc. and will surely need or want to use other services.

[SteveHall]

This has come up before - Torrevieja accept it as "primary address" (I bet Orihuela don't!)
The only thing you can do is ask at your town hall. Glad to see you are keen to do it!

Others please note!

Originally Posted by SteveHall

This has come up before - Torrevieja accept it as "primary address" (I bet Orihuela don't!)
The only thing you can do is ask at your town hall. Glad to see you are keen to do it!

Others please note!

Thank you Steve and I'm sorry to have repeated a question that had already been discussed. I'll probably have a lot more questions soon and will try to check first, using the search facility, although often one isn't sure what words to use and so doesn't find it. (If there's a problem, I think the campsite owner will help, as he and his family are quite prominent in business here, so they should have some influence, and they're a very nice family, too.)

[Xose]

Originally Posted by Feyness

I'm living on a campsite at the moment and expect to stay here for a year or perhaps even longer. (It's a lot cheaper than owning or renting a house and I have a microscopic income.) I think this will be acceptable in an application for an NIE, which I hope to do this week, but what about the Padrón? Should I sign on here anyway? After all, I'm using the roads and rubbish bins, etc. and will surely need or want to use other services.

Hi there,
The IBI, "Rubbish collections" are registered to houses - so not sure how this would work with a campsite. One assumes whomever is running it will have his own, business registration, and so paying whatever that is every (whatever period in your area) 6 months here where I live.

The Padron is done at your town hall and it will all depend if they see the campsite as an official residence or not. Clearly, they will know it and its use/license so that if people can legally stay there for long periods, then one assumes all the local registration capabilities follow. You need the Certificado de Empadronamiento for so many things that things like Road Tax, would be impossible for anyone living there who has a car. Also, registering with a Doctor etc.

Also not sure down your way but I have known people go for their NIE (or residency certificate as I believe they are now) and got asked for their Certificado de Empadronamiento.

Good luck,

Xose

[SteveHall]

No need to apologise! I'm delighted people are considering registering. It is an ongoing battle in expatshire!

Originally Posted by Xose

Also not sure down your way but I have known people go for their NIE (or residency certificate as I believe they are now) and got asked for their Certificado de Empadronamiento.
Xose

Gosh, Xose, I'm glad you mentioned that. I asked a (Spanish) girl here and she says she's fairly sure that they will ask for a Certificado de Empadronamiento, so I'd have gone through all the hassle and queuing for nothing. The campsite owner says he'll write me an attestation in the morning, so that I can get one from the Ayuntamiento before going to apply for the NIE.

Another question, although I supose it'll be answered when I apply:
My British passport (I am British) is still in my married name, although I've been divorced for ages, but all my other papers are in my maiden name, because I've been living in France and they do everything in your maiden name. I think the officials in Spain will want a passport from my country of nationality, won't they, rather than an ID card or Carte de Séjour (residency card) from France? Shall I just take everything and see what happens, or what? When I renewed my passport through the British Consulate in Paris, I did ask for it to be in my maiden name, but for some unreason they ignored my request, so I'm stuck with a passport that doesn't match anything else. I'm loth to apply for a new passport, as it takes a while and costs so much. Should I try just using my French ID card, that's in my maiden name and matches my driving licence, etc,. or will they want a passport? (I've only used the French card so far, to register at the campsite and so on.) perhaps if I get the Certificado de Empadronamiento with the French ID card, the rest will follow, or will they insist on a passport. (Even the Pensions Office in the U.K. uses my maiden name - it's only the passport that's wrong.)

I could just use the passport and if they ask why my driving licence, etc. are in my maiden name and are from France, I can explain. Perhaps that's the answer - but then, if I get an E121 and it's in a different name... I can feel my brain frying.

[Xose]

Originally Posted by Feyness

Gosh, Xose, I'm glad you mentioned that. I asked a (Spanish) girl here and she says she's fairly sure that they will ask for a Certificado de Empadronamiento, so I'd have gone through all the hassle and queuing for nothing. The campsite owner says he'll write me an attestation in the morning, so that I can get one from the Ayuntamiento before going to apply for the NIE.

Another question, although I supose it'll be answered when I apply:
My British passport (I am British) is still in my married name, although I've been divorced for ages, but all my other papers are in my maiden name, because I've been living in France and they do everything in your maiden name. I think the officials in Spain will want a passport from my country of nationality, won't they, rather than an ID card or Carte de Séjour (residency card) from France? Shall I just take everything and see what happens, or what? When I renewed my passport through the British Consulate in Paris, I did ask for it to be in my maiden name, but for some unreason they ignored my request, so I'm stuck with a passport that doesn't match anything else. I'm loth to apply for a new passport, as it takes a while and costs so much. Should I try just using my French ID card, that's in my maiden name and matches my driving licence, etc,. or will they want a passport? (I've only used the French card so far, to register at the campsite and so on.) perhaps if I get the Certificado de Empadronamiento with the French ID card, the rest will follow, or will they insist on a passport. (Even the Pensions Office in the U.K. uses my maiden name - it's only the passport that's wrong.)

I could just use the passport and if they ask why my driving licence, etc. are in my maiden name and are from France, I can explain. Perhaps that's the answer - but then, if I get an E121 and it's in a different name... I can feel my brain frying.

That's a tough one. I've no idea if they would take a French ID card given that your NIE would show you as a British National...not French. Your options are limited as I'm sure they won't accept a passport with one name and issue a Padron or NIE with another.

In terms of officialdom here, your passport ID's you, that's you (married name, mayden name etc is not a Spanish thing) your name is what your official ID says it is, and today, in Spain, that's your passport. Padron and NIE will reflect this. No one is to say that your name is different - why should it be, Ivana Trump is divorced but remains Ivana Trump.

If you, one day, go down the route of getting a passport with your maiden name by supplying the Decree Absolute copies etc., etc., and lord knows what else, then at this stage you should worry about tidying up the Padron and NIE, but today you are who your passport says you are.

Hope the process is smooth and headache free for you.
Xose

Originally Posted by Xose

That's a tough one. I've no idea if they would take a French ID card given that your NIE would show you as a British National...not French. Your options are limited as I'm sure they won't accept a passport with one name and issue a Padron or NIE with another.

In terms of officialdom here, your passport ID's you, that's you (married name, mayden name etc is not a Spanish thing) your name is what your official ID says it is, and today, in Spain, that's your passport. Padron and NIE will reflect this. No one is to say that your name is different - why should it be, Ivana Trump is divorced but remains Ivana Trump.

If you, one day, go down the route of getting a passport with your maiden name by supplying the Decree Absolute copies etc., etc., and lord knows what else, then at this stage you should worry about tidying up the Padron and NIE, but today you are who your passport says you are.

Hope the process is smooth and headache free for you.
Xose

Thank you, Xose, for the reply and for answering so late at night, as it means I can go ahead tomorrow. I'll just use my passport then - it'll be much easier to ask the U.K. pensions office to change back to my married name for an E121 than to get a new passport in my maiden name and it'll be free, as well. I'll have to ask the campsite to alter their records, but otherwise it should be quite simple. (It won't be, though - it was horrendous when I moved to France, though I think it's easier for expats who arrive there now.)
I'll print copies of my marriage and divorce certificates and keep them in the van, in case the traffic police ask why the vehicle documents are in a different name.

Latest: I parked outside town (crowds, summer) and trudged to the Ayuntamiento, where a nice man told me that I don't need to be registered with the Padrón in order to get a NIE and that I won't need photos, either, just my passport and the NIE form. He said that they won't register me anyway until I know where I'll be living permanently and that campsites pay separately, so there'd be no need for the campers to be registered (as someone has said in this thread.)