The Padron

[SteveHall]

You can ONLY register with one and it should be the one you are "habitually resident" at

[djrickyb]

For future reference for people in La Linea.

I went there to get an application and all she asked for was my passport!
I gave her NIE as well but I can't be sure she used it.

The "Certificado de Empadronamiento" was in my hands in less than 10 minutes!!
No fee, no other identification, contract etc.

[EP GAZZ]

So how about if your permanent residence is in America, you will be paid in America and will be private for health and school.

Do you still sign you are resident there ?

I am just interested as it seems to be a way that they leverage funding for local services and if I am not using them is that right?

[SteveHall]

Every authority seems to have its own rules and regs. If you CAN register pls do so as the more on the padrón, the more the authority receives from regional and/or central govt.

[EP GAZZ]

Originally Posted by SteveHall

Every authority seems to have its own rules and regs. If you CAN register pls do so as the more on the padrón, the more the authority receives from regional and/or central govt.

Happy to do so as long as I don't find both US and Spain asking me for dosh

[alano]

This is an interesting thread. I have been in Spain for about 9 months now, and I anticipate being here for 9 months out of every year. Lovely country!

One thing I am unclear of... is it a legal requirement to register if you have been in Spain for more than 6 months? I now understand that the local authority will benefit from additional funding if I do register, but I need to know the urgency of doing so (I already have a NIE number, but no other documents).

What is the difference between a Padron and a Certificado de Empadronamiento? Do I need one/both, or are they just "useful"?

Thanks in advance,
Alan

[Xose]

Originally Posted by alano

This is an interesting thread. I have been in Spain for about 9 months now, and I anticipate being here for 9 months out of every year. Lovely country!

One thing I am unclear of... is it a legal requirement to register if you have been in Spain for more than 6 months? I now understand that the local authority will benefit from additional funding if I do register, but I need to know the urgency of doing so (I already have a NIE number, but no other documents).

What is the difference between a Padron and a Certificado de Empadronamiento? Do I need one/both, or are they just "useful"?

Thanks in advance,
Alan

The "Legal" requirement is that you register in the ayuntamiento. If you drive a car, for example, and you pay road tax, that is based on where you live.
Your NIE will have an address linked to it. Guardia Civil don't like it when the paperwork does not reflect reality if you get pulled over, and the fine is no joke.

Also, after the half year (183 days) you're supposed to be resident and declaring income to the Tax authorities if applicable, and the like. The limits on foreign earnings, profit and loss on just about any capital investment for having to declare are VERY small and nothing to do with the 28K an employee has to earn before having to do a declaration

Goes without saying, a ghost who owns nothing locally and has no red tape needs can survive as long as chance will have it, but it is chance and not due process.

As for the local government services being used or not, people often forget that it is the local police who will be the primary response to an event, the roads are fixed (local roads), the bins are emptied, the co-ordination for ambulance servic es, fire brigade ... etc., etc. One assumes some if not all of these are used even if it is purely from a security and not direct response requirement.

[alano]

Thanks Xose, that's a very helpful reply.

I'm pleased to report that I am trying to do "the right thing" and my lawyer did help me pay Spanish Wealth tax on one of the properties I own here.

My situation is complicated by the fact that I own two properties but live in a rented one. My NIE is linked to one of the properties I own, but is under a different ayuntamiento.

I will be buying a second-hand Spanish car in 2 weeks' time. I presume I will therefore need to change the NI address to the rented property in which I live (because it is to this ayuntamiento that I will have to pay my car tax)?

I have only been renting for 5 months, but I have owned the properties for 2 years - so I am really unsure about where to register!!!

Any suggestions?

What precisely is it that I need to ask for at the ayuntamiento? a Padron or a Certificado de Empadronamineto?

Cheers,
Alan

[Xose]

Originally Posted by alano

Thanks Xose, that's a very helpful reply.

I'm pleased to report that I am trying to do "the right thing" and my lawyer did help me pay Spanish Wealth tax on one of the properties I own here.

My situation is complicated by the fact that I own two properties but live in a rented one. My NIE is linked to one of the properties I own, but is under a different ayuntamiento.

I will be buying a second-hand Spanish car in 2 weeks' time. I presume I will therefore need to change the NI address to the rented property in which I live (because it is to this ayuntamiento that I will have to pay my car tax)?

I have only been renting for 5 months, but I have owned the properties for 2 years - so I am really unsure about where to register!!!

Any suggestions?

What precisely is it that I need to ask for at the ayuntamiento? a Padron or a Certificado de Empadronamineto?

Cheers,
Alan

As Steve said, you should register where you live. So I guess wherever you're renting as this appears to be your current home.

All you need to do is go to the ayuntamiento and tell them you want to be empadronado. Take your ID or ID's (passport also) to be on the safe side. It takes very little time.

What papers you get after that will be up to you. I would take a couple of Empadronamiento sheets stamped by them as these are deemed "original" and so will be the ones wanted by any official body..... not a fotocopy.

Be aware, in my ayuntamiento in any case, a "Certificado de Empadronamiento" is a fairly heavy piece of red tape. In the case of this document, the local police go to the address to verify who lives there. I've never needed one yet but I suspect it's for things like multiple family claims on the social services under the one household or some such.

[SteveHall]

Wow, the police checking up on the address!!! Just shows how every council is different.

In Alicante, Rojales seems to do everything is possibly can to get people on the padrón whilst in neighbouring Orihuela everybody seems to have to jump through hoops!