Severance pay

[maxd]

We just paid 10k euro to make 2 people redundant. Now some cleaners on full time contract are being cheeky because they want to be sacked too.

God, is there any way to get out of paying this crazy redundancy pay in this socialist hell hole!

[Xose]

Originally Posted by maxd

We just paid 10k euro to make 2 people redundant. Now some cleaners on full time contract are being cheeky because they want to be sacked too.

God, is there any way to get out of paying this crazy redundancy pay in this socialist hell hole!

It's that thought process with micky mouse companies that keeps Zappatero where he is today. Have you not made provisions in the gravy days for redundency? - or has the Lamborghini Murciélago taken that fund?

[maxd]

Originally Posted by Xose

It's that thought process with micky mouse companies that keeps Zappatero where he is today. Have you not made provisions in the gravy days for redundency? - or has the Lamborghini Murciélago taken that fund?

See socialsts everywhere

If were were to sack everyone it would basically wipe us out and then there would be no business. Spain sucks for employers.

[Stravinsky]

Originally Posted by maxd

See socialsts everywhere

If were were to sack everyone it would basically wipe us out and then there would be no business. Spain sucks for employers.

Errrr .... not too different from the UK for medium sized companies then But then you're an employer and you are bound to say that

I employed 25 staff in the UK and it was a bloody nightmare, I ended up more of a wet nurse than an MD!

[maxd]

Originally Posted by Stravinsky

Errrr .... not too different from the UK for medium sized companies then But then you're an employer and you are bound to say that

I employed 25 staff in the UK and it was a bloody nightmare, I ended up more of a wet nurse than an MD!

Ah, you mean the Socialist people's Republic of the United Kingdom. Unfortunately we have the pleasure of doing business there too.

But look at this:

UK redundancy pay less than half the EU average

UK redundancy pay less than half the EU average


Belgium is about the worst place. The social costs are just mind boggling there and we have the pleasure of a tax inspection this week due to us wanting to write off furniture over 3 years insteas of 5. Nice, but I guess someone has to pay for students beer money and the unemployed.

[Xose]

Originally Posted by maxd

See socialsts everywhere

If were were to sack everyone it would basically wipe us out and then there would be no business. Spain sucks for employers.

Hardly socialist. Fair, absolutely. You want to take on someone with a permanent contract, you're responsible to that family's food on the table with that contract. You break it, you buy it - simple.

What would you do then - "Oh that little plan of mine didn't work out, OK you lot, off you go... thanks for your help on equal profit sharing in the past".

It's called manpower planning.

It's a ***** isn't it. Nice big juicy contract - BUT, do we risk taking on more people? No worries, we'll just take the money but if it fails, they can take the risk. Right?!

[maxd]

Originally Posted by Xose

Hardly socialist. Fair, absolutely. You want to take on someone with a permanent contract, you're responsible to that family's food on the table with that contract. You break it, you buy it - simple.

What would you do then - "Oh that little plan of mine didn't work out, OK you lot, off you go... thanks for your help on equal profit sharing in the past".

It's called manpower planning.

It's a ***** isn't it. Nice big juicy contract - BUT, do we risk taking on more people? No worries, we'll just take the money but if it fails, they can take the risk. Right?!

That is why they and we pay social security isn't it?

[Xose]

Originally Posted by maxd

That is why they and we pay social security isn't it?

What?! - I know that's what Social Security has ended up covering, HUGELY bad business risks, mostly by banks. But I'm fairly sure that's not what it's there for

Wow, that would have been great back in the day. I remember it as if it was yesterday. "Now's the time to take on staff" - "Bloody hell, you sure??!!", says the partner. Yeah, no worries. What's the risk?!

I would have loved that

[Stravinsky]

Originally Posted by maxd

Belgium is about the worst place. The social costs are just mind boggling there and we have the pleasure of a tax inspection this week due to us wanting to write off furniture over 3 years insteas of 5. Nice, but I guess someone has to pay for students beer money and the unemployed.

In Benelux countries its more normal to offer contracts, often lasting only 6 months. In that way the companies escape the risk of redundancy ... I guess thats the price the people pay for high redundancy costs!

[maxd]

Originally Posted by Xose

What?! - I know that's what Social Security has ended up covering, HUGELY bad business risks, mostly by banks. But I'm fairly sure that's not what it's there for

Wow, that would have been great back in the day. I remember it as if it was yesterday. "Now's the time to take on staff" - "Bloody hell, you sure??!!", says the partner. Yeah, no worries. What's the risk?!

I would have loved that

Well, how about also collecting for the VAT man, paying business taxes on top social payments as well + paying for licences that the city hall keeps on inventing. Etc Etc.

Actually, you are right we only found out about Spanish severance when the downturn came. Also our Spanish MD was not very thorough when he started offering ever fekka...err I mean valued employ a full time contract. He has now gone and we are left to clean and pay for the peices. The joys of being a business owner I guess.

So, if anyone knows how we can weasel out of it, instead of discussing social policy, please let m know